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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:16 PM
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Protesting against your country in a time of war: Disgusting.
It gives aid and comfort to the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Patriotism means standing with your country. And standing with your country means standing with President Obama.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:18 PM
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1. wait
we've been hearing that for eight years
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peggygirl Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:18 PM
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2. Ain't it the truth!
Blame America and American government especially. How patriotic?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:20 PM
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3. To paraphrase a very famous DU'er
It was a shit statement then; it's a shit statement now.
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:40 PM
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5. +1
Ain't hypocrisy grand?
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:21 PM
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4. War is wrong regardless of who's in charge
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 10:22 PM by The Northerner
Obama should've ended both wars not escalating the troop numbers
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:17 PM
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11. + Infinity
One cannot replace a single innocent life, let alone millions.
Each represents an infinite multiverse of possibilities,
the loss of whom limits mightily the possibilities of our world.

PS: A hearty, if belated, welcome to DU, The Northerner.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:42 PM
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6. "my country right or wrong" or did you really forget the sarcasm thingy?
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 10:43 PM by niyad
you know, this sounds like the bs we heard for 8 years under bush. wrong then, wrong now.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:51 PM
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7. ...---...
“My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother drunk or sober.” – G. K. Chesterton
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:53 PM
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8. Protesting against what's wrong with your country is one of the most patriotic things you can do.
Never was a patriot yet, but was a fool. – John Dryden

A patriot is a fool in ev’ry age. – Alexander Pope.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. – Samuel Johnson

In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary, patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first. – Ambrose Bierce

Patriotism is as fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and irrational as a headless hen. – Ambrose Bierce

That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.” – James Russell Lowell

“My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother drunk or sober.” – G. K. Chesterton

Patriotism which has the quality of intoxication is a danger not only to its native land but to the world, and “My country never wrong” is an even more dangerous maxim than “My country, right or wrong.” – Bertrand Russell

Patrioism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. – George Bernard Shaw

You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is an ephemeral motive that scarcely ever outlasts the particular threat to society that aroused it. – Denis Diderot

To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. – George Santayana

The Athenian democracy suffered much from that narrowness of patriotism which is the ruin of all nations. – H.G. Wells

Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. “Patriotism” is its cult. . . . Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country which is not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship. – Erich Fromm

One of the great attractions of patriotism–it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat, Bully and cheat, what’s more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous. – Aldous Huxley

Many studies have discovered a close link between prejudice and “patriotism” . . . Extreme bigots are almost always super-patriots – Gordon Allport

It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag. – Elbert Hubband

Patriotism varies, from a noble devotion to a moral lunacy. – William Inge

Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of passions. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism corrupts history. – Goethe

Into the cultural and technological system of the modern world, the patriotic spirit fits like dust in the eyes and sand in the bearings. Its net contribution to the outcome is obscuration, distrust, and retardation at every point where it touches the fortunes of modern mankind. – Thorstein Veblen

The standardization of mass-production carries with it a tendency to standardize a mass-mind, producing a willing conformity, not merely to common ways of living, but to common ways of thinking and common valuations. The worst defect of patriotism is its tendency to foster and impose this common mind, and so to stifle the innumerable germs of liberty. – J.A. Hobson

2. Patriotism and War:

At the bottom of all patriotism is war: that is why I am no patriot. – Jules Renard

No other factor in history, not even religion, has produced so many wars as has the clash of national egotisms sanctified by the name of patriotism. – Preserved Smith

Naturally the common people don’t want war . . . Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . . . All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism. – Hermann Goering.

That worst outcrop of herd life, the military system, which I abhor . . . This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism–how passionately I hate them! – Albert Einstein

3. Patriotism and Religion:

Patriotism is a kind of religion; it is the egg from which wars are hatched. – Guy de Maupassant

God and Country are an unbeatable team; they break all records for oppression and bloodshed. – Luis Buñuel

To be patriotic, hate all nations but your own; to be religious, all sects but your own; to be moral, all pretenses but your own. – Lionel Strachey

When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at strangers, it is patriotism! – David Starr Jordan

4. The American Syndrome:

If you have a weak candidate and a weak platform, wrap yourself up in the American flag and talk about the Constitution. – Matt Quay

How much longer are we going to think it necessary to be “American” before (or in contradistinction to) being cultivated, being enlightened, being humane, & having the same intellectual discipline as other civilized countries? It is really too easy a disguise for our shortcomings to dress them up as a form of patriotism. – Edith Wharton

The 100 percent American is 99 percent an idiot. – George Bernard Shaw

Treason is in the air around us everywhere. It goes by the name of patriotism. – Thomas Corwin

5. Three relatively positive assessments of patriotism:

A patriot is somebody who protects his country from his government. Or better yet: who has the guts to protect his country from its government. – Piotyr Dirk

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. – Thomas Jefferson
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:00 PM
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9. I can't tell is this is sarcasm or not. I truly hope it is.
rarely does a post stop me, make me wonder if it is sarcasm or not.

If this is, congratulations, you join a select few.

If this is not, you are very wrong.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:03 PM
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10. Patriots ask questions. Carl Sagan. n/t
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Mike K Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:41 AM
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12. Deutschland uber alles!
If enough of the German people had protested what they knew to be wrong, wasteful and potentially destructive to their own nation, a great deal of devastation could have been avoided.

I stand with my Country but I oppose the emerging corporatocracy which has taken control of my Country's government and is transforming my Country into a modern analogue of Rome.

Standing with America does not mean standing with Barack Obama any more than standing with America once meant standing with George W. Bush, who was an imperious, war-mongering, criminal sonofabitch.

Dissent is sometimes an essential element of patriotism and may be thought of as the heartbeat of Liberty.
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