Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I have a question about unions

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:30 PM
Original message
I have a question about unions
I know I have the winning ticket in tonight's Powerball. After I get my money, I want to help improve America by putting some people to work.

If I wanted to start a unionized company (in a state without a Right to Get Fired law, of course), what would be the procedure? Starting the company first, of course, and then what? Would I have to make my employees work twenty hour days at mill for tuppence a month until they finally got pissed and held a union election, which of course I would have to contest for the next nine months because I am an evil ogre who makes Scrooge look good, or could I just figure out what was the most appropriate union for my workers and call them in before hiring anyone in the first place?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:33 PM
Response to Original message
1. As the company owner it would not be you that starts the Union.
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 10:36 PM by LakeSamish706
The employees are the ones that apply to the Union of choice to sign up. It then takes a vote by the employees to actually join the Union and the action would proceed from there. The Union Reps. would direct the employees on how to proceed if there is a favorable sign up and vote to join.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. So in other words tuppence a week and cold gravel all around.
Gotcha.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. You would not choose the Union, but you could tell the newhires you don't oppose them organizing
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Very true, and I am sure they would love you for it. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:40 PM
Response to Original message
5. What is your company going to do or make? Find the union that represents the workers with the skills
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 10:42 PM by Vincardog
you need and tell them how many you want hire.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. "Fine the union" - that won't be a good start
Kidding, kidding :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. good catch Thanks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. It would be a conglomerate
I can think of about nine really good industries I could do well with if I only had some seed money and I wasn't living in this town.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Well good luck with the Lottery.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:45 PM
Response to Original message
8. Now heres a kicker for you... With your current attitude your employee'ss would probably
not even care about forming/joining a Union. It's companies like Walmart, Target, and many others that treat their employee's like shit that really need to be organized.

Look at a company like Costco, they treat their employees very well, pay them well and there is no talk about organizing that I am aware of.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SIU_Blue Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. About 13 percent of Costco's 103,000 workers are unionized.
They are mostly Teamsters. I believe that the CEO's father was a teamster and he's stated in the past that this helped shape his view on treating employees well.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Thanks for the input, your info is important to my learning as a life long Union member.
I guess my point with Costco is, (with this CEO's mind set) the need to sign a Union card is not as critical as it would be with a company like Walmart, Sears, or some of the other shit ass companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SIU_Blue Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. That's certainly true...
...life as a Costco employee is miles apart from life as a Walmart "associate". I do think that while many people organize because they're unhappy with working conditions, having a seat at the bargaining table is important no matter how much you love your job. One of labor's big problems now is that too many folks see us as a complaint department rather than a proactive way to improve or sustain jobs that might (or might not) be good already!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. More than 40% of Costco employees are union in 2010, the 13% figure
was accurate in 2003.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SIU_Blue Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. I stand corrected!
Good to hear, thanks for the updated info. Teamsters?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. I like unions for other reasons
Unions USUALLY have apprenticeship programs and other training arrangements. By the time the new hire got through that, was a full-fledged card-carrying member and went to the production area, you KNEW he knew how to do his job. Most modern companies don't believe in training. In Fayetteville we have a company that makes raw polyester. They require you to have two years experience in the specific process they run--which is real convenient since there are two plants in North Carolina that make raw polyester, they share a parking lot, and the other one doesn't use their process.

This has to stop. The only way it's GOING to stop is if some people go out of their way to open some unionized companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SIU_Blue Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:51 PM
Response to Original message
9. Union Organizer by profession here...
It depends.

If you were to start a company in which workers perform a trade, say an electrical or a plumbing company, you could immediately call the trade union in question and sign on as a signatory contractor. In turn, the union would supply you with workers who have been through their training program/apprenticeship and you would agree to pay union wages and abide by the contract.

If you start a different sort of company, manufacturing or service sector for example, then you could call a union and offer them a neutrality agreement, stating that you will not interfere with your workers right to organize, and you could offer organizers access to your break rooms, etc... Organizers will assist workers in forming an organizing committee and start having folks fill out authorization cards, stating that they want to be represented. You could then agree to recognize the union when the majority of workers sign cards, this is called "card check", and is a huge threat to republicans and anti-union types because workers can't be subjected to threats and lies as easily.

There are actually many companies that agree to neutrality and card check, the largest examples being UPS and AT&T, the largest employer of union labor in the country. I wish more employers realized that there are actually benefits to having a stable, experienced, well paid workforce.

Good luck in the lottery!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. You could also sign a signatory agreement with Teamsters
as Fred Meyers did before opening warehouse operation in Washington state.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:51 PM
Response to Original message
19. As a company owner, you'd call the appropriate union(s)
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 11:52 PM by Warpy
and ask them to come in and organize your shop. It's actually been done that way before by bosses who realize shop stewards can actually take some of the employee bullshit off their shoulders.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 04:03 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC