Focus on the Family is a hate group

James Dobson is a vile hatemonger.

That's all you really need to know.

did you ever read his belief in corporal punishment for disciplining children. Much more than just a hatemonger.

To show it who was boss! What a man!:sarcasm: How this pervert ever got to be an authourity on anything is beyond me - must be more of that "selling licenses to hate" stuff. That's my test for bad religions these days - that they draw the weak-minded, the fearful, and bullies by telling them that there are people - "fags", "Libruls", atheistists, sinners, any color you can think of - that it's OK to hate. :banghead: :cry: :grr:

"early"??? A little slap here and there, you know?

SHEESH! No wonder they are all constipated, sexually dysfunctional nutjobs!

Many of them consider him "soft on disobedience" because he doesn't think you should beat the shit out of kids under 16 months old or something.

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WORD!

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and the program manager told me on the phone that he was popular and wasn't controversial.

It's truly sad that there are some folks here on DU that need a reminder.

Hey, Dobson!

They've been posting vile, passive-aggressive, "You are all overreacting!", "It's just your latest poutrage!", "There's nothing wrong with the ad - it's full of bunnies, kittens, puppies, and Tebow's mom farting rainbows!", etc. threads. :puke:

I can't wait to see what douchefuck is going to be canonized here next.

their whole existence is to spread hatred of people they don't like, and they do so while hiding behind the flag and Bible, as if they represented anything moral. Disguises are for cowards.

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:spray: :rofl:

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The cluefail has been thick here lo these past days. :hug: ruggerson

I'd be quite greatfull.

I've been told I'm just as arrogant and mean-sprited as the christians because I won't let their hate go unremarked. Apparently, if you don't respond to christian hate by turning the other cheek, you're just as bad as they are. And yet, that standard never seems to apply to them, even though it's a chrisitan invention.

Tolerance for intolerance. :wtf:

Of course, this is the same person that told me that there is already equal marriage rights in the good ol' US of A.,
because he, as a heterosexual, can marry someone of the opposite sex, and so can homosexuals.

I swear to gawd, I'm amazed at the lack of HETEROSEXUAL bashing in this country.

Alyce

As bad as the KKK.

I know all that I really need to know. My search for truth is over.

But thank you for reminding us.

Why or why not?

It's positions on gay rights, women's rights, and abortion are not materially different than those of Focus on the Family.

I'd really like to know.

Don't be lettin' either one off the hook by sayin' "they did it too"

Sending crusades to the holy land to kill Muslims
Persecuting people for saying the world is not flat
Covering up the pedophilia of priests
Helping Nazis to escape from Europe after WWII
Looking the other way while Hitler and Mussolini grabbed power
Burning so-called heretics at the stake
The Spanish Inquisition

I doubt that any RCC leaders today would defend any of those actions.

The majority of those who responded to my question stated definitively that the RCC meets their definitions of hate group. I appreciate the responses.

I personally don't agree that the RCC today meets my personal definition of hate group - The undesirable behavior of a hate group must IMO be motivated truly by hatred. A member of Stormfront or the KKK is likely to proclaim proudly and loudly that he or she hates Jews, black people, Catholics, etc. The Roman Catholic Church has consistently for several decades said "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Their opposition to gay marriage arises from tradition, their opposition to abortion is rooted in their belief in souls.

Declaring the RCC a hate group puts you in the awkward position of being under siege by a well-funded, powerful, influential organization with more than one billion members. California, with its large Hispanic population, has more than its share of Catholic voters, and many of them do vote as their church instructs. If I had to attribute the success of Proposition 8 to a single cause, I would say without hesitation that the Catholic vote capped it.

I'm not a religious person, but I imagine that if I was a churchgoer and someone called my church a hate group, I wouldn't feel inclined to listen to anything else that person had to say about anything.

Yes, a tradition of hatred. Catholics proclaimed their hatred for the gay community "proudly and loudly" when they crossed state lines and used lies and fear to strip these Americans of their civil rights in Maine. That's a hate group. Thanks for exposing yourself...

The right of same-sex couples to marry was already infringed. The people of Maine reaffirmed that infringement, as did the people of California when they passed Proposition 8 in 2008.

That's not an expression of hatred. It's a demonstration of ignorance. They think that sexual orientation is largely a matter of personal choice, which you and I both know is nonsense.

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I am a member of more than one oppressed group, just probably not any of the same ones you are.

Or, in other words, shut your privileged mouth about shit you don't understand.

That's a great way to keep the dialogue on a high intellectual level, Toasterlad.

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Or, apparently, any of the groups oppressed by the catholic church

My suggestion stands.

BTW, I'm not interested in a dialogue with people who make excuses for homophobes and misogynists. We really don't have anything to say to each other.

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That is not my opinion. That is a fact.

Reducing my legitimate condemnation of the catholic church's vile policies and rhetoric to "juvenile behavior" is exactly the practice of those enlightened souls who have been telling us to shut up and quit complaining for years. I'll give you credit for one thing: you must have enormous balls to question MY credentials as a progressive while you're apologizing for the single largest oppressive organization on the planet.

I couldn't care less what your views are on how I fight my battle, and if any of the "undecided middle" reading this thread agrees with anything you've said, they clearly would not have ever been a GLBT ally.

Straight people like you have been trying to tell us how to wage our war for decades. Straight people like you are not allies. Allies ask what they may do to help, they do not lecture about matters that they don't understand.

You don't get to decide whether the catholic church is a hate group or not. You have not felt their hate. I have.

We don't need you.

I'll keep working toward removing the unconstitutional restrictions against same-sex marriage whether you appreciate it or not, because it's the right thing to do.

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residing in those states, but the voters in Maine, California, or any other state have no business voting on the rights of others. Rights of minorities should never be decided by the majority.
Until we have leaders (OBAMA included) who will stand up and fight for what is right and moral, we will never have true equality in this country.



As far as the catholic church, their stance is borne from pure evil. They commit and cover up pedophilia while denying consenting adults the right to marry the person they love. As far as I'm concerned, the people who attend and contribute to the offering plate are complicit in this travesty. How anyone can protect and defend their actions is beyond me.

Recognizing that you have a problem is often the first step toward a solution.

I've spent decades teaching myself to have empathy for people who have world views that differ radically from mine. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them or tolerate their behavior, but I can understand how a reasonable person can come to a set of values and beliefs that have little in common with mine. It's all about environment, education, and upbringing.

As far as the catholic church, their stance is borne from pure evil.

Many aspects of Catholicism seem bizarre and alien to me. There has been only one Catholic in my family in at least 10 generations, and that was by marriage only. There are bad Catholics just as there are bad people in every group, and the RCC has had more than its share of scandals. but by and large they are good people, and the real message of the Christian religion that I gave up on almost 40 years ago is mostly positive and accepting of individuals.

Is there some reason you've derailed it into an extended treatise on your opinions on the RCC?

People have declared FotF to be a hate group because of its positions on gay rights, womens' rights, and abortion, which are not materially different from those of the Roman Catholic Church or of many other mainstream religious groups.

At least people are consistent in their (IMO) misapplication of the term "hate group". If someone had said that they thought FotF was a hate group but the RCC was not, I would have been all over them like flies on shit. Being wrong isn't nearly as bad as being a flaming hypocrite.

;-)

Was that the point of all this?

edit: I take your silence as "No, I don't believe FoF to be a hate group".

Of "hate group".

I see them as a conservative religious group that panders to and profits from widespread ignorance.

I see labelling FotF a hate group almost as ridiculous as some anti-abortionists' association of Planned Parenthood with the Nazis and the KKK.

instead of wasting everyone's afternoon with your mission to expose liberal hypocrisy? Your own *opinion* only grants this status to extremist groups that incite prejudice through violent emotion. You are the only one giving cover to bigots because of some presumed "ignorance". You do not show any depth of understanding on how homophobia is perpetuated in less extremist groups that cultivate a profile that seems on the surface as less "bad" than the extremist groups. The right wing loves people like you.

I hope you figure it out some day.

Nice, and now totally free of any content or argument. You can boast to all your friends how you really owned this one. :rofl:

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That "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is bullshit--weasel words.

And it's supposed to be their JOB to listen to me.

I think they might actually hate me.

That is indeed your opinion. A more complete examination of the definition of hate groups by experts might expand your narrow definition.

I don't see the Roman Catholic Church listed as a hate group by the SPLC, which I have always regarded as the premier authority on US hate groups.

http://www.splcenter.org/

"Hate" as used by the SPLC does not speak to the emotion "hate" exclusively. It's also used in the legal sense as in "hate crime". An ignorant person can just as easily commit an action of hate as anyone else.

I have no idea how the SPLC selects its groups for inclusion. I suppose if you really wanted to know, you could shoot them an email.

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bite his fart bubbles in the bathtub.

I hope the FBI is watching them closely.

Hence your simple truth remains grounded firmly on the table.

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He's also a hypocrite and a pervert.

I guess some people only consider a group to be a hate group if they wear white hoods, burn crosses in people's yards, tattoo swastikas on their bodies, etc.

GOP gave start-up funding to the Christian Coalition in the 1980's . . .

and Scaife and other wealthy right wingers funded Dobson's organization and Bauer's -- !!


US also created, printed, and shipped textbooks with the VIOLENT Islamic verses we have

so despised into the Middle East!!

lol

Dobsonism isn't for Christians.

And, yes, he is.

not too late to :kick: it.

Well said. I couldn't agree more. :applause: