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Snow Bird Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:22 PM
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Feds push for tracking cell phones
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 12:32 PM by Snow Bird
Source: CNET

Two years ago, when the FBI was stymied by a band of armed robbers known as the "Scarecrow Bandits" that had robbed more than 20 Texas banks, it came up with a novel method of locating the thieves.

FBI agents obtained logs from mobile phone companies corresponding to what their cellular towers had recorded at the time of a dozen different bank robberies in the Dallas area. The voluminous records showed that two phones had made calls around the time of all 12 heists, and that those phones belonged to men named Tony Hewitt and Corey Duffey. A jury eventually convicted the duo of multiple bank robbery and weapons charges.

Even though police are tapping into the locations of mobile phones thousands of times a year, the legal ground rules remain unclear, and federal privacy laws written a generation ago are ambiguous at best. On Friday, the first federal appeals court to consider the topic will hear oral arguments (PDF) in a case that could establish new standards for locating wireless devices.

In that case, the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.



Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html



The ACLU is "concerned about this "warrantless tracking", it's damn near the same thing as warrantless wiretapping under the previous administration.

Maybe each phone call needs a warning, like at the beginning of a DVD, that you have no "reasonable expectation of privacy", and we hear you now!
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:33 PM
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1. I remember a similar debate about tracking vehicles.
This should require a warrant.
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vegiegals Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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2. Feds push for tracking cell phones
Source: cnet





February 11, 2010 4:00 AM PST
Feds push for tracking cell phones
by Declan McCullagh


Two years ago, when the FBI was stymied by a band of armed robbers known as the "Scarecrow Bandits" that had robbed more than 20 Texas banks, it came up with a novel method of locating the thieves.

FBI agents obtained logs from mobile phone companies corresponding to what their cellular towers had recorded at the time of a dozen different bank robberies in the Dallas area. The voluminous records showed that two phones had made calls around the time of all 12 heists, and that those phones belonged to men named Tony Hewitt and Corey Duffey. A jury eventually convicted the duo of multiple bank robbery and weapons charges.

Even though police are tapping into the locations of mobile phones thousands of times a year, the legal ground rules remain unclear, and federal privacy laws written a generation ago are ambiguous at best. On Friday, the first federal appeals court to consider the topic will hear oral arguments (PDF) in a case that could establish new standards for locating wireless devices.

In that case, the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.

Those claims have alarmed the ACLU and other civil liberties groups, which have opposed the Justice Department's request and plan to tell the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia that Americans' privacy deserves more protection and judicial oversight than what the administration has proposed. .................

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html?tag=mncol;posts







And a few days ago we had this!! Camera's OK at every turn??


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10448060-38.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1

FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited
Filed in Politics on Feb.08, 2010


WASHINGTON–The FBI is pressing Internet service providers to record which Web sites customers visit and retain those logs for two years, a requirement that law enforcement believes could help it in investigations of child pornography and other serious crimes.

FBI Director Robert Mueller supports storing Internet users’ “origin and destination information,” a bureau attorney said at a federal task force meeting on Thursday.

As far back as a 2006 speech, Mueller had called for data retention on the part of Internet providers, and emphasized the point two years later when explicitly asking Congress to enact a law making it mandatory. But it had not been clear before that the FBI was asking companies to begin to keep logs of what Web sites are visited, which few if any currently do.

The FBI is not alone in renewing its push for data retention. As CNET reported earlier this week, a survey of state computer crime investigators found them to be nearly unanimous in supporting the idea. Matt Dunn, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in the Department of Homeland Security, also expressed support for the idea during the task force meeting.

REST OF ARTICLE

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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3. glad I dont have a cell phone
bastards...and they will probably get away with it..
hey agent mike, kiss my royal american ass
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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5. Don't have one & don't want one
Yes they will get away with it like everything else they've done. People always ask me how can I not have a cell phone & my reply is I did fine my whole life not needing one.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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9. Here, take mine. n/t
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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4. fuck.
you know, after seeing that "miss me yet" Bushshit billboard, my answer is rapidly becoming "i didn't know you left."

this shit has to stop.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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6. One more reason why "Three Days of the Condor" would have to be "Three Minutes of the Condor" today!
That movie seems so ancient now, even though its plot theme seems very relevant today.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:50 PM
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10. LOL
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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7. Time for Tracfone, I guess. No name attached, no account, cash for phone cards.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:03 AM
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23. Yep nt
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:42 AM
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24. Even Tracfone are GPS equipped. It doesn't matter how you pay
if you phone itself signals where it is.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:00 AM
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27. So you use the 30 minutes it comes with and ditch it.
$20 is cheap.
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berttheturk Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:47 PM
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8. More wireless wiretapping??? How can this continue??? n/t
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:52 PM
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11. The FBI is working overtime. The ghost of Hoover still lurks.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:55 PM
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12. so this is what passes for change?
I think not.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:22 PM
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13. do have one, don't want mine or anyone else's tracked w/o a warrant. n/t.
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chasmj Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:24 PM
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14. Very disappointing
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:33 PM
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15. Breaking: Fed wants to be up our asses 24-7
welcome to 1984
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:33 PM
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16. Fuck you, Obama administration.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 02:14 PM
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17. There's not only *calls* but also what towers a cellphone is near.
Phones and towers are always in radio contact with each other.
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Honeyporter735 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 04:55 PM
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18. Meet the new boss,
same as the old boss. This is very disturbing.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:43 PM
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19. k&r
the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts

so disappointing...
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:46 PM
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20. This is the new 'pissing in a cup'.
And credit checks for employment or rent.

1984 is 36 years too late.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:43 PM
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21. fuck barack obama and his reactionary justice department. nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:58 AM
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22. Can you spare any chhange? n/t
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:51 AM
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25. Big Brother's watching. Big Brother's listening. And now, Big Brother wants to triangulate.
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 02:51 AM by cherokeeprogressive
Nice. Thanks PBO.
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letmedrinkuin Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:56 AM
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26. Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me
An article from cnet dated January 2008.........

Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me
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