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Kadie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:43 PM Original message |
Army discharges single mom who wouldn't deploy - she had nobody to take care of her son |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. on edit: I see she had the child after she signed up. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Ditto ! |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. she enlisted in 2007 |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. She got pregnant prior to a deployment and then FAILED to have a family care plan in place |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Article in OP says she did... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. How about you re-read my previous post. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. How about you re-read your previous post. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. IIRC, from threads here on DU, this former Army member's plan was |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Thank you for the extra info, I didn't have that, only OP here |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. A big mess, and I don't think the young woman was prepared for |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. So in what way did she fullfill her obligation? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. The Army's assistance amounted to helping her put her child in foster care |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Wrong. Keep reading. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Like I said in another post, I heard her interviewed |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Yes, they did. But you don't "give a rats ass', so , uh, ok. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Telling her to put her kid in foster care isn't help |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Every post just highlights your ignorance of this case. |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Odds are that she can appeal later and get it upgraded. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. A General is as high as they should have given her and even that's pushing it |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Looks like she had an out-of-wedlock baby after she enlisted. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. 'out-of-wedlock' |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Why not just say "bastard child" and be done with it? |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I thought the same thing when I read it! How archaic. |
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. wtf year is this?! |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Yes, because young people are going to be celibate for four years. Idiotic. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I thought birth control was invented back in the sixties. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Contraceptives fail. Are you advocating mandatory abortions or mandatory celibacy? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Use multiple methods at once. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Perhaps she didn't use any. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Accidents happen. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. If the child's an infant she probably didn't have it when she enlisted in 2007 |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. She COULDN'T have had it when she enlisted |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. 2 reasons. May not have planned on getting pg, her arrangements fell through |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
69. That doesn't matter to the child |
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Carnage251 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. Where is the father? |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. One link doesn't mention him at all |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Same here and I'm wondering if he's in the military too. eom |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
66. I doubt it |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Maybe he's dead. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Where's the birth control? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #36 |
70. Where's the humanity and compassion? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
85. She was in the ARMY! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Army still hasn't made the adjustment to mothers in uniform. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Sure they have, they bend over backwards for single parents. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. She was in ROTC in high school and had planned on a military career |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. You have some really good points on other subjects, but you are allowing your ignorance to get in |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Gee who am I going to believe? This young woman who actually KNOWS her story |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Disgreement is not rudeness and pointing out your ignorance on a subject is not insulting. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. These are rudeness... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Those statements are factual and blunt. Rudeness is in the eye of the beholder. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Ignorance of the fact that the word "ignorance" is insulting... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. When one cannot use a term that accurately descsribes something, we have become too PC. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. It's a credit to you that you don't see "ignorant" as an insult, perhaps. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Uninformed is definitely more polite. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. I see your point about not having a counter argument |
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JustAVet (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. I wouldn't say they bend over backwards... |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
19. Hooray for her, someone else can go in her place |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. It's repulsive the army did nothing to help find another role for her |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Whats repulsive is your use of adjectives to describe something you know nothing about. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Were you there?! |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I LIVED this life for 21 years, so YES, I was there. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. So you weren't there |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. No, the Army soldier |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Adoption? Are you for fucking real? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
83. She could have put it up for adoption at birth. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Fuck, they should've just involuntarily aborted her!!!111 I'm SERIES!!!111 |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #46 |
77. I am hoping you forgot the sarcasm smilie |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #77 |
84. No, I wasn't being sarcastic. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Um no |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. If you really knew about this case and how the military handles singles parents, you would not post |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. People who have never served don't understand the issue. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yup. The whole "the army should have made an exception" argument only highlights peoples ignorance |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. It sucks for her but you can't give people excuses to get out of deployments. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Then they need to make a rule that a female can't be sexually active and get pregnant |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. No, thats idiotic. They DO have rules that outline how single parents need to be responsible |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Really? You mean there are no single mothers in the military? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I served with plenty when I was in the Navy. eom |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. 21 Year CPO here. What was your rate? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I was a TM - Torpedoman's Mate. Got out as a First Class after 10 years. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. No, let's not let people use their kids to get out of deployments. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
79. She's not just unemployed... |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. And on top of that, probably ineligible for unemployment benefits |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
32. Lots of good discussion on this much earlier (last year) thread. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
53. General response to my detractors above. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
86. I strongly agree with you here: |
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PacerLJ35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
61. Here's the reason why this girl's problem blew up in her face... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. "girl"? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. at least she got free child birth. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
74. I'm all for giving people |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
80. Army did the right thing. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I'm as anti-war as they come and even I understand that. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Many people don't realize the significance of the oath of enlistment. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
88. Well, her plan crumbled, and she didn't have a back-up, and didn't |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
89. CUE THE VONAGE THEME! |
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