Some consider this issue to be "the elephant in the room" (no pun intended).

Others prefer to simply not consider it at all. It is one of those "impolite" subjects to bring up because it makes so many folks uncomfortable.

I consider the issue to be an infection deep within the tissue of our society; a vile pocket of corruption that may have temporarily "scabbed over", but which, if left untreated, will surely erupt to visit pain and impairment on us in the future.

The issue: our failure to even consider impeaching or, later, prosecuting George W. Bush, Richard Cheney and others in their administration for crimes against the American people and for war crimes against the people of the world.

And, I readily admit to being biased, but the issue does seem to be one of those "black and white" matters of which the Republicans are so fond. I do not recall the details, but have seen several accounts of more than one arrogant admission by Bush or his minions of facts constituting criminal conduct. Certainly, everyone is aware that Cheney, especially, is PROUD of the waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation" authorized by the Bush criminals. We have not only prosecuted and convicted others---rightly I might add---for using the same techniques on US armed services personnel, I believe we actually executed a Japanese soldier for waterboarding.

I don't think this stain on the fabric of our nation can ever be removed without some kind of official "finding" or "conviction"; some acknowledgement of the crimes and, I would hope, some form of punishment or sanction. "Justice"---if we still concern ourselves with the awkward and often inconvenient concept---would seem to require lengthy prison terms at a minimum.

Unless I miss my guess, this post will be considered naive and politically foolish by many who read it. More's the pity.

avail about it.

you know, "move forward" as Obama said :puke:

It is a festering sore, and is going to some day erupt into a severe malignancy. It is one of my deepest and really only real disappointment in our present administration that they are bypassing the rule of law to supposedly move ahead and not look back, It wil jump up and bite us one day for sure. Also in my opinion it is one of the reasons dicky boy continues to harp and nag at Obama, It appears to me that he may be doing this so that if they decide to come after him he can claim it is vengeance for his trash talking Obama rather that the real reasons.

and looked what happened. They all ended up in the bush administration.

Obama's epic failure to do the right thing on this, will indeed come back to haunt our children's world. These monsters NEED to be prosecuted AND punished, IN PUBLIC.

We can never reclaim what it is to be America, a Nation of laws, until this is addressed.

If we close our eyes it does not go away, it eats our souls.

But hey, what does that matter as long as our side wins, right?

The rot and acceptance of corruption, criminality, and class inequality in the USA astonishes me.

We have lost our free society if the the criminality regardless of party is not addressed.

There is more hiding behind faux moral codes than fair justice and moral compass (basically the Golden Rule works for me and is common sense).

Obama's administration is compounding the mistakes post Nixon and Reagan, and the Bushes; the same individuals and organizations have upped the criminality each go round.

to deal with as each year, or decade, passes.

Somewhat disagree. There's been several efforts to impeach/prosecute the war criminals. Congress isn't interested.

These scumsuckers walk free and wind up with rehabilitated reputations. Then they screw us again.

But instead they are able to continue to glorify their evil philosophy and have large percentages of the country continue to vote them.

In the current climate I would not be surprised if we have a GOP majority and GOP president again in 2012.

Sounds crazy but the Democrats are so weak and diluted that the unified GOP could be an unstoppable force. Add to this the new freedom corporations have for installing minions in every congressional seat and I think we just might find ourselves living in a new Bush era

until the country totally collapses into something broken but new.

have no qualms about what they say, do or don't do. They know nothing will ever happen to them. If only Dubya had gotten an Oval Office blow job.

The situation can only lead to one conclusion: bought and paid for.

Kucinich (the guy who supposedly "does nothing") addressed this issue long ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042401542.html

Cynthia McKinney (that embarrassment to the Democratic Party) also called for impeachment, only to be excoriated here and elsewhere.

http://www.democrats.com/McKinney-Articles-Of-Impeachment

The question arises as to why Pelosi and Reid would NOT want to see justice done. Could they be "bought-and-paid-for"?

I leave it to you, dear reader.

Richard Blum.

I don't get Reid or Pelosi but suspect they are feces-sprayed as well.

Both parties are "captured" by corporate bribery. It is like the late Roman Republic, when politicians promised to help you and then helped aristocrats throw you off your land.

and has confessed in public that he supports it. He has not said yet that he gave the orders.

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it will reveal that the fabric of your nation was woven from war crimes against the indigenous people.

Elephants never forget.

If a president is impeachable, does that make his appointments impeachable?

Or,if it can be proven a presidential election was stolen, what does that mean for the unelected winner's appointments? If he was never really elected in the first place, can that fact, if it can be established as a fact, be used to undo any of his appointments?

Or can a Supreme be impeached for any reason? Can a Supreme be impeached at all?

I read that yes, a Supreme can be impeached, for similar reasons as for other public offices. But if a president took office by manipulating an election, and that can be established, does that not mean that his appointments are illegitimate?

I don't really want this court deciding whether or not Bush and Cheney are war criminals. If they were to decide that torture is OK, then we would continue on our headlong descent into fascism. This Roberts court has only become more anti-American than the Rhenquist court (which decided in Bush v Gore that it would be unconstitutional to count legally cast votes). I have little doubt that they would side with Cheney and throw out any conviction.

Perhaps our courts are just not capable of hearing this kind of case. I'm all for sending them to the Hague!


A president can be impeached for treason, bribery and other high crimes. The cause for impeaching a justice is a MUCH lower standard.

They are expected to exhibit good behavior, and failure in this regard is reson for removal. Probably where the term "sober as a judge" comes from. Scalia spent the night with a defendent in a case that was before him, and then he refused to recuse himself from the case when asked to do so by dozens of news organizations. This cannot be "good behavior" since it is in violation of the LAW!!!




As for Scalia's sleepover witht the defendent and the grounds for impeachment, more here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7537270&mesg_id=7537789