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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:24 PM
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Italy Now Suspected Of Using Derivatives To Hide Their Debt Problem, Just Like Greece
Eurostat now suspects that other European nations, potentially even crisis-stricken Italy, could be hiding the extent of their debt problem using swaps just like Greece has.

If multiple nations have been fooling the Eurozone's own statistical office, then we really can't be sure what the Eurozone's aggregate financial situation really is, now can we.

This could be bad news for the euro if the practice was widespread:

EU Observer:

"In case there is reason to expect that these kind of techniques have been used by other member states, not only Greece, then we will request information from other member states," said Mr Rehn.

The Finnish politician said Eurostat had no evidence of other capitals using the swaps, but the statistics agency was also unaware of Athens' activities until very recently.

Media reports over the weekend said Europe's other chronic big spender, Italy, has also used the off-balance sheet items in the past to hide its debt pile.

Greek finance minister George Papaconstantinou told journalists on Monday: "Greece was not the only country using them. They have since been made illegal and Greece has not used them since."

http://www.businessinsider.com/eurostat-suspects-that-italy-is-using-derivatives-to-hide-their-debt-problem-just-like-greece-2010-2

Remember when I said Greece wasn't about Greece? This was what I was talking about.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:27 PM
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1. kewl, we will not be alone when we crash our economy
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:28 PM
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2. We are in better shape than Europe
More natural resources, less debt, etc.

The only thing they have on us is trains.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:12 PM
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3. Wow --
Now they need to move on to examing the rest of the PIIGS -- Spain, Portugal, and Ireland.

Ordinarily, the currency in countries like this would take a hit, which would encourage exports and tourism and help the country rebound. Now they're stuck with an overvalued Euro. Whatever benefits it has, there are big disadvantages in a situation like this.

It really points out the difficulty of combining economies and monetary policies as historically different as, say, Germany and Greece.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:17 PM
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5. Unless they give up power to a Federal System
amongst the European States, it has about as much chance as the Articles of Confederation.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:15 PM
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4. I wonder what else has been going on in Europe?
Fortunately for them, they do not have to foot our immense defense bill. That might make any of their potential crises less of a burden on their economies.
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