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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:20 PM
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The Richest 1% Have Captured America's Wealth - What's It Going to Take to Get It Back?
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 01:29 PM by inna
This is a MUST READ in its entirety. Be sure to go to the source for tons of links and supporting info:

http://www.alternet.org/economy/145705/the_richest_1%25_have_captured_america's_wealth_--_what's_it_going_to_take_to_get_it_back?page=entire

Here's just some excerpts.


The U.S. already had the highest inequality of wealth in the industrialized world prior to the financial crisis -- and it's gotten even worse.
...
Paul Buchheit, from DePaul University, revealed, "From 1980 to 2006 the richest 1% of America tripled their after-tax percentage of our nation's total income, while the bottom 90% have seen their share drop over 20%." Robert Freeman added, "Between 2002 and 2006, it was even worse: an astounding three-quarters of all the economy's growth was captured by the top 1%.

Due to this, the United States already had the highest inequality of wealth in the industrialized world prior to the financial crisis. Since the crisis, which has hit the average worker much harder than CEOs, the gap between the top one percent and the remaining 99% of the US population has grown to a record high. The economic top one percent of the population now owns over 70% of all financial assets, an all time record.

As mentioned before, just look at the first full year of the crisis when workers lost an average of 25 percent off their 401k. During the same time period, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans increased by $30 billion, bringing their total combined wealth to $1.57 trillion, which is more than the combined net worth of 50% of the US population. Just to make this point clear, 400 people have more wealth than 155 million people combined.

Meanwhile, 2009 was a record-breaking year for Wall Street bonuses, as firms issued $150 billion to their executives. 100% of these bonuses are a direct result of our tax dollars, so if we used this money to create jobs, instead of giving them to a handful of top executives, we could have paid an annual salary of $30,000 to 5 million people.

...snip...

For an example of how this system flows to the Economic Elite, just look at the Wall Street "bailout." The real size of the bailout is estimated to be $14 trillion - and could end up costing trillions more than that. By now you are probably also sick of hearing about the bailout, but stop and think about this for a moment... Do you comprehend how much $14 trillion is? What could be accomplished with this money is almost beyond common comprehension.

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Much, much more: http://www.alternet.org/economy/145705/the_richest_1%25_have_captured_america's_wealth_--_what's_it_going_to_take_to_get_it_back?page=entire


This is Part II of David DeGraw's report, "The Economic Elite vs. People of the USA." Click here for Part I.

"The war against working people should be understood to be a real war.... Specifically in the U.S., which happens to have a highly class-conscious business class.... And they have long seen themselves as fighting a bitter class war, except they don't want anybody else to know about it." -- Noam Chomsky
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:23 PM
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1. We sort of accomplished it between WWII and Richard Nixon's administration
with progressive taxes, taxing the wealthiest up to 90%. It spread the wealth more evenly and allowed working class people to accumulate modest assets as well like a home, a car and some savings for their old age.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:47 PM
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29. Bad example

That era was a historical anomaly, the US was the last man standing in terms of industrial base after the war. It is no accident that the working class in the US started to lose ground at the same time that Japan and Germany got back up to speed.

Profits were tremendous, the ruling class could afford the small share which the New Deal apportioned to the people, however grudgingly. Once the industrial hegemony was lost to maintain their profits the capitalists resorted to the tried and true, the basis of their existence, extracting every possible nickel from the working class.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:38 PM
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33. Anomaly or not...
There were specific policies in place that CAN and SHOULD be adopted today that would immediately help the Working Class.

*75-90% top tax rate

*Anti-TRUST enforcement

Fair Competition laws that would prevent Wal-Marts from destroying small locally owned businesses.

*Government protections for Unions

*Price Gouging prosecutions and Windfall Profit taxes
"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."---FDR




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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 05:26 PM
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38. Well, we see how far that got.....

Problem is, they will always push back, and as long as they have the power of money they will. Trust-busting was undermined, the New Deal is going, going.....It is a fact of nature in the ecology of capitalism that the capitalists must seek profits where ever he can find them. And those profits are necessarily extracted from the hides of the workers. To expect otherwise is to expect a tiger to eat lettuce.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:03 PM
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77. Huh?
Repukes pushing back does NOT negate the great gains for most of the population during LBJ's Great Society. That's just dumb.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:38 AM
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57. Do you have any pre-war data?
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:40 AM by wuushew


Although I agree with much of your take it must be also said that the American economy was much more self contained earlier in the century. Even if we had clear advantages in production relative the rest of the world the total percentage of goods involved in trade was greatly dwarfed by those produced soley for the domestic market.

It seems we really started off a cliff once Reagan was elected.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:05 AM
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63. I think that their might be a connection between then and now:
During the 1950s 36% of American workers belonged to unions. It was also a time when working class families could buy a home, car and raise their kids on one paycheck. Today only 6% of American workers are unionized. Without the protection of the unions the workers job's were outsourced and their benefit evaporated. During this period I increasingly saw young workers coming into the work place bad mouthing unions but eager to take advantage of what unions had won for the working class. You want to win back what was lost, then unionize. Powerful unions are the ONLY means by with the working class can demand fair treatment by their representatives. This includes reasonable across the board fair taxation, universal health care and the elimination of usury rates of 20% or more. The only way to get the money back that the robber barons have stolen is through loophole proof confiscatory inheritance taxes. Until the workers are willing to unite and demand fair treatment then they can't expect fair treatment by the plutocracy that owns America.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:24 PM
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2. First we have to convince the other 99% that they ain't ever
going to be part of that top 1%!
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RT Atlanta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:56 PM
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11. Excellent point!
I see this all the time in Georgia. You have good working-class folks who, to me, regularly vote against their own personal interests, by voting for republicans and believing that all the the lower tax/trickle down economics will in somehow benefit them... just boggles my mind.

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:10 PM
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the Horatio Alger myth is hard to beat down; people identify with capitalists!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:04 AM
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85. Because the 1% know how to play the "folksy Christian" act VERY well.
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 09:04 AM by WinkyDink
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:43 PM
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27. How rich do you have to be to be in the 1%?
Maybe an actual number would convince them they ain't gonna get there.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:41 AM
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94. Just over $400,000 a year. nt
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:09 PM
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32. They don't get it one bit.
I tell people that think they will have that kind of wealth someday they would need to win the Powerball...every week for the rest of their lives.

If they can accomplish that feat, they *might* get close enough to be in that club one day.

Most people just have no clue as to the stupendous amount of wealth held by these select few.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:02 AM
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68. Chris Rock nailed it:
"Wealth is passed down from generation to generation, you can't get rid of wealth. Rich is some shit you can loose with a crazy summer and a drug habit."

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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:01 AM
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59. Ain't THAT the truth! Wake up, America! n/t
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:31 AM
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69. That is a brilliant observation!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:13 PM
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71. A better, less annoying method would be to convince them that the 1% don't deserve their power.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:06 AM
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86. Won't happen. Americans like to believe "they earned it. Not like those welfare cheats."
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:21 PM
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95. Then you simply ask "How did they earn it when they hardly work?"
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:27 PM
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96. True...so you tell them they aren't earning enough as...
...they are taking on the jobs of other people those at the top laid off to increase their own income.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:55 PM
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76. +1
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:02 PM
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79. Yes, that is indeed the key to success here (nt)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:25 PM
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3. Collective acknowledgment
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:25 PM
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4. Barron's recently announced that the recession was "over" on their front page
These business fucks live in a totally different world than our own. What we need to do is break any bounds that the American worker has with them. This could be achieved by replacing 401(k)s with government pensions or some equivalent system that is not private(in the sense of "private property.")
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:26 PM
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5. As long as the wealthy can hire the poor to protect their stolen fortunes, not a god damned thing
will change. And there will always be slaves who will do anything to survive, even protect the slave-owners.

However, if we peons decide that we have been fucked over enough, we can individually target the rich for their "come-uppance."

The answer does not lie in institutions. Until they fear for their lives & property and that of their family, they will not give back their plunder. It is up to individuals to strike at individuals.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:24 AM
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60. Better watch it T Wolf, the "Patriots" are listening.
:sarcasm: I have been thinking of late about the 30's in this country. That is a big reason FDR passed all of the progressive legislation, to "save capitalism". If the economy goes in the shitter (as some economists predict) you will see more riots and shit. Maybe we will be cellmates when they arrest us both for "terrorist thinking".
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:28 PM
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6. especially telling..
'In 2009, just over $1 trillion tax dollars were spent on the military, it's safe to say that at least $350 billion of that was needlessly wasted.'


endless corporate wars.


the only thing left is revolution. waiting patiently for the public to wake up .
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:16 AM
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64. In that $350 billion is the part the 'private sector' uses to bribe pols...
of The Money (that is, OUR money) Party to do their bidding.

It's not like they really NEED that 'small' over-charge...

They operate kind of like a mafia of some sorts.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:36 PM
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7. oy
400 people have more wealth than 155 million people combined
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dynasaw Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:40 PM
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8. Imprisonment and . . .
Imprisonment and confiscation of their stolen goods. Theft is theft. When they got so wealthy you know it's gotta be ill-gotten gains.

For some of these MFs capital punishment might not be a bad idea given the havoc they've wrought on not only individuals but to the whole well being of this country.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:42 PM
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9. TAX 'EM!!!

Repeal the REAGAN tax cuts, make the inheritance tax that much stiffer for the wealthy elite, and only make 15% long term capital gains tax percentage available to those with small incomes, if at all.

It will take some congress critters with gonads (that's said figuratively as I feel many women have them these days more than men in that respect), to fight for these sorts of changes, and fend off the corporate money chain that enslaves so many of them.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:30 AM
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61. AND, start taxing ALL religious organizations also. Those "churches"..........
.............are holding a lot of "revenue" that sure as shit would and should go to the poor and working classes. Force those pricks (by taxing them) to finally do what all their fucked up scriptures advise them to do: Help the poor!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:14 PM
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72. Churches are irrelevent, especially when the rich are overwhelmingly secular. nt
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:40 PM
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74. I may have went a little "off topic" with my rant, but churches are.................
......................certainly NOT irrelevant when it comes to potential revenue sources. I certainly would support progressive rates that were in force before Reagan's tax cuts first and foremost. I think you misunderstood my "rant" as the "cure" for all our revenue problems. It certainly is NOT that, but it would be a pretty substantial additional source. Our tax system is so fucked up now with all the "deductions" that practically NO working person can take advantage of that it probably would have to be entirely re-worked. Which by the way ain't gonna happen.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:53 PM
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10. I think this is just mind blowing. I mean, not as if we didn't know this already, but...
Laying it all out like this in one piece makes it just shocking.

This is the best article and the most important read I've read in a long time, I'm sending it to all I know.

I HIGHLY recommend reading the entire article/series, not just the excerpts in the OP.

:wow:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:58 PM
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12. That really is an excellent article. Thank you for posting it. K&R. nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:08 PM
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13. You're very welcome! :)
See - we agree on more things than we disagree on! :hi:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:12 PM
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17. Yes, we do. And ain't it grand?
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:10 PM
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14. K&R
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:10 PM
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15. K&R and thanks for posting this!
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:11 PM
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16. 3% Annual Tax on Net Worth = $1 trillion+ revenue.
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 02:12 PM by reformist2
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:21 PM
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102. A warm welcome to DU. n/t
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:12 PM
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18. Get it back? They want MORE! n/t
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:20 PM
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19. Under Taxed!
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 02:21 PM by IDFbunny
I've haven't been one of the eat-the-rich types until lately. It's gone over the top.

Seeing freepers protecting these people from taxes makes me ill.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:26 PM
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20. No longer having to, and/or wanting to, believe what the 1% have is wealth
But that would require a fundamentally fundamental shift in our day to day lives, and it would get very messy. It's easier(but not easy) trying to get what they have, as opposed to doing things differently. Less(but not devoid of) blood too.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:28 PM
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21. A revolution.
And it ain't gonna be pretty.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:38 PM
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22. Without strong unions it's next to impossible
and since offshoring is so easy, it's unlikely. Companies have no downside to dumping their american workers, in lieu of cheap "worldwide" workers.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:43 PM
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23. guillotines.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:24 PM
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24. I'm afraid it's going to take this
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 03:25 PM by guitar man


That's a picture of a "Hooverville" as they were called and they were all over the US during the Great Depression. Conditions like this and the resulting outcry led to some serious things getting done about it under FDR.

I don't like preaching doom and gloom but many days it seems that the only way anything is ever going to get fixed is for it to fall so far into the shitter that it forces people to get their heads out of their ass over petty differences and realize we're all in the same sinking ship together...except for that 1% that is running off with all the money and wealth they can gather.

Until enough of us find ourselves in similar circumstances I'm afraid the distraction of the latest shiny ball the media bounces around is going to keep us distracted enough for the grand larceny of America to continue :(

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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:30 PM
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25. Revolution. Bastille Day 2.0.
Take your pick.

They will not stop. Ever.

Until WE stop them.

When we start to value the survival of civilization over American Idol and Sports, that's probably when the first signs of the tide beginning to turn will be seen.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:35 PM
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26. The American People are losing the Class War
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:47 PM
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30. The problem is that the class war is unilateral.

I.e., waged by the elites. No wonder we're losing (if not *lost* already).
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:23 AM
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90. It's only called class war when WE FIGHT BACK - otherwise, it's all just peachy...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:44 PM
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28. we'll never get it back
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 03:46 PM by pitohui
apparently too many people would rather be mained or die and sit back and watch family members be maimed and die rather than take one penny from a billionaire's pocket

if this were not the case, we'd have universal health care by now but we don't and apparently we won't -- the will of the people is not there

stupid people truly, sincerely, would rather die an early death and see the people they love die an early death than to have a fair tax on the wealthy and open health care for all

since stupid people out breed us and a stupid person gets the same vote as an intelligent, thoughtful person, it appears that the case is hopeless -- in the 60s and the 70s a "charismatic" or fundamentalistic christian was recognized to be a mentally ill crank, now they are almost considered to be mainstream although their beliefs are the same crap that no intelligent person could accept as true -- how else can we account for this except to admit that the number of stupid people in the world is increasing?

the thing i don't get is, WHY are stupid people so self-hating and so self-destructive? a cat does not have a high IQ, for instance, but a cat would never seek to destroy itself or its own family so that bill gates could keep more of his billions in his pocket -- their stupidity isn't the entire explanation for their behavior
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:03 PM
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31. So I just read both articles...
...and wow. Deregulation for the win, right? *sigh*
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:52 PM
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34. "Deregulation for the win, right?"

Could you explain what you meant by your comment? Sorry, it didn't make any sense at all and didn't seem to have any relevance whatsoever to the article quoted in the OP.
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:55 PM
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35. Whoops...bad sarcasm.
I just don't understand how anyone could be for removing the government further from businesses. We'll only continue to see stagnant wages and decline without some serious intervention when it comes to the income gap in this country.

To sum up:
I'm all for government involvement in business to protect employees and consumers.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 05:05 PM
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36. LOL, thank you, thank you!! Often, sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internets...
...for some reason... even for those of us who consider ourselves not humor-deprived. :hi: :D

(At least I'm extremely relieved that you're not in favor of further deregulation!! :D )
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:18 PM
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40. No problem!
And I don't think I'd be posting here if I were a deregulationist...... :hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 05:05 PM
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37. Hopefully more people are starting to get it.
I read some of the comments over at alternet on this article and it's amazing how resistant people are to these facts. People keep wanting to polish the apple for corporations. I can only imagine they benefit personally for this service or they are just thoroughly conditioned.
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:17 PM
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39. K & R
There is some cold hard reality in this article.

This is obviously not sustainable. In fact it is out of control...
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:19 PM
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41. k r
one of the things i truly hate about the country i love
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:27 PM
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42. I asked this just the other day on a post
Can Obama insight executive order to raise the taxes on the top 1% to lets say where they were when Nixon took office. That should have been one of The First things he did when he took office WTF ? The way he ran I thought this would have been something he would have done. I'm so crushed and confused about who he is???
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:47 PM
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43. This could use a kick. /nt
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:58 PM
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44. Make the highest marginal tax bracket 95% again
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:03 PM
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45. Two steps: 1) change the 4th Amendment, and 2) take it by force.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:43 PM
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46. They have suitcases full of paper.
Don't buy into their illusion. Establish yourself within a community that celebrates humanity, not money, and you will still have something when they discover they have nothing.

The "Economic Elite" are the Bernie Madoffs who haven't been caught. They have the political power to keep their frauds hidden, but it won't last long. You can fool the people, but you can't change the laws of nature. Nature pays no heed to wealth or politics. An economy that pays no heed to nature will fail.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:46 AM
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53. This is the truth
Their money is an illusion. If we required them to provide services to back up their paper(and they didn't have their slaves to do it for them) they couldn't produce anything we wanted.

The article is great...too bad most people won't ever see the truth of it.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:09 PM
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70. Well said.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:47 PM
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47. I wish Chomsky would review James Fallows' Atlantic Monthly article
James Fallows' Atlantic Monthly article laid out the reasons why he's not very worried about an America in decline. From my blue collar perspective, he's off. And I've agreed with him for many years, right down the line.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:47 PM
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48. Look at the WTO.
Look at the fact the the economic policies have been basically the same in America for the better part of 50 years and you know who is in charge.

The two parties are merely the players, two sides of the same coin.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:34 PM
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49. K&R
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 11:34 PM by waiting for hope
Thanks for posting this, hopefully more and more people will wake up to the fact that just about everything congress does is to ensure that 1% stays the way it is.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:40 PM
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50.  The robber barons
and their goons will continue until the middle class is destroyed.After the demise of the middle class,the serfs will be at the mercy of the barons,and to them mercy is just a word without meaning.With the help of this government the barons are on a course to destroy this democracy as we know it.The people we vote into office are just as guilty as the barons,greed is running rampart in this country .and unless we wakeup soon we all will be serfs.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:59 PM
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51. Unfortunately, they've captured the government and blocked access to elected officials...
who were pre-bribed and pre-owned anyway --

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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:06 AM
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52. I suggest we consider more drastic measures...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:07 AM
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54. Oh, probably a revolution
When people are finally screwed into the ground far enough, it will happen.

Let's hope it is based on our previous model rather than the French one.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:08 AM
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88. Yes, I'll hesitate to take-up knitting.
:silly: ;)
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:27 AM
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91. No - actually - the French and Russians had it RIGHT...
these "people" are not educatable or re-educatable...

The only thing that would be comparable is the Allies corrections to the Germans after WWII - forced re-education as to the TRUTH...

and don't give me crap about the stalinists and their "education" for LIES either...
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:13 AM
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55. What's It Going to Take to Get It Back?
War (which won't happen in this country.)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:33 AM
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56. Yes indeed k*r
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:34 AM by autorank
See this one also from Aug 2009
http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~saez/saez-UStopincomes-2007.pdf

And this page from Rebel Capitalist

Conpare the 1923-1929 to 2002-2007 - it's a Depression Figure



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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:08 AM
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58. Robin Hood.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:44 AM
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62. "400 people have more wealth than 155 million people combined"
They should meet face-to-face 400 to 155,000,000 to see if the 400 might be convinced to "change" their portfolios a bit.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:19 AM
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65. This is the "only so much cheese to go around" fallacy
New wealth is being created all the time. The fact that a small number of individuals have amassed personal fortunes does not prevent anyone else from creating and acquiring their own wealth.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:44 PM
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100. Heresy! How dare you spout common sense?
You shall be excommunicated via pizza!
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:21 AM
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66. Summary Execution
its the only thing the motherfuckers can't buy their way out of. Not that they wouldn't try.
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Holy Moly Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:38 AM
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67. Behold T-R-E-A-S-O-N at work
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:36 PM
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73. Let's give them 2 choices - 94% tax or the French solution! nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:47 PM
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75. estate tax suspended:
The Wall Street Journal reports today on a temporary suspension of the estate tax (what conservatives call the “death tax”), which will go into effect on January 1, 2010. The lapse dates back to the bundle of tax cuts passed under the Bush Administration in 2001:

Congress raised estate-tax exemptions, culminating with the tax’s disappearance next year. However, due to budget constraints, lawmakers didn’t make the change permanent. So the estate tax is due to come back to life in 2011--at a higher rate and lower exemption.

The WSJ piece is titled “Rich Cling to Life to Beat Tax Man,” and its interviews demonstrate, once again, that the rich really are different: They’re really creepy. It seems quite a few of them are making end-of-life decisions based on how it will affect their inheritance taxes.

“I have two clients on life support, and the families are struggling with whether to continue heroic measures for a few more days,” says Joshua Rubenstein, a lawyer with Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP in New York. “Do they want to live for the rest of their lives having made serious medical decisions based on estate-tax law?”…

To make it easier on their heirs, some clients are putting provisions into their health-care proxies allowing whoever makes end-of-life medical decisions to consider changes in estate-tax law. “We have done this at least a dozen times, and have gotten more calls recently,” says Andrew Katzenstein, a lawyer with Proskauer Rose LLP in Los Angeles.

The article focuses on people who are trying to keep their so-called loved ones alive until 2010 begins. But you can just as easily imagine all the greedy bastards out there who are hoping their healthy old relatives will get really sick, really soon, so they can kick off before the year ends.

On the Atlantic’s business blog today, Derek Thompson comments on the political implications of the year-long estate tax suspension. He highlights the hypocrisy of Republican policymaking, which insists upon deficit reduction while simultaneously serving the interests of wealthy people like these, whose riches have to be wrested from their cold, dead hands:

I’ll be interested to watch how both parties deal with the tax for 2011. Naturally, Republicans are united against any action that involves not destroying the death tax forever. That includes Sen. Judd Gregg, the moderate Republican and co-producer of the fantastical commission to reduce the deficit, who hasconsistently supported every effort to whittle away the estate tax.


snip

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/12/happy-new-year-geezers-please-die-soon
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:00 PM
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78. A revolution, and they'll get it if things don't change.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:11 PM
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80. Guillotines.
I'm dead serious.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:28 AM
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92. I've been saying that SERIOUSLY on here for YEARS now...
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:10 PM
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81. K& R nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:58 AM
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82. Consumer protection laws with teeth...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:03 AM
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83. So sickening that we turn our heads. Because NOTHING short of VIOLENT REVOLUTION can alter this.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:03 AM
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84. Just think what we could do domestically if we had back those trillions wasted on ...
"Death and Destruction" aka The Military Industrial Complex?

Trillions more, 25% of taxpayer dollars allocated to military spending goes unaccounted for every year, not to mention the billions spent on overcharging and outright fraud. During the War on Terror, the Economic Elite have used our tax money to build a private army that has more soldiers deployed than the US military - a congressional study revealed that 69% of the "US" fighting forces deployed throughout the world in our name are in fact private mercenaries, 80% of them are foreign nationals. Private contractors regularly get paid three to five times more than our soldiers, and have been repeatedly caught overcharging and committing fraud on a massive scale. A congressional investigation revealed this and strongly recommended that we seize wasting tax dollars on these private military contractors. However, under Obama, there has actually been a drastic increase in total tax dollars spent on them.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:08 AM
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87. Blackwater owns us.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:14 AM
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89. Then let these corporate mercs send their OWN children to war.
They can't have mine.

If more and more young people would REFUSE to fight for the rich bloated capitalistic War Pigs, there wouldn't be enough Xe Mercs and foreign nationals to provide the cannon fodder for The Oil Wars. ... Hey, just a suggestion?

Instead of sending "our youth" like lambs to the slaughter, let's not buy into the FEAR-MONGERING over a part of the world the USA is not even A PART OF.

Let the M.E. neighborhood be other than working on the Israel-Palestinian saga?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:21 PM
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101. Those mercenaries have been in places like Colombia, so it's not just
Iraq and Afghani populace who are affected by our gung ho, shoot now, ask questions later, soldiers for hire.

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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:30 AM
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93. Good luck convincing the 99% that the 1% actually STOLE anything.
Seems to me that's the biggest obstacle here.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:29 PM
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97. I believe that is the primary reason, they don't want to label Stack as a terrorist.
To do so, would De Facto acknowledge a state of war and if the Middle Class; remains largely clueless or asleep, all the easier to use them as fodder for the oligarchs and corporate supremacists.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:31 PM
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99. Just turn the boostraps/meritocracy frame against them
The rich have an extraordinary amount of privilege in our society. We just need to point out how most of that is unearned and unjust.
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12AngryMen Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:29 PM
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98. It's going to take
people getting directly active in the political processes. Just walking off and then away from the voting booth every 2-4 years in contrived political theatrics will not change a thing.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:17 PM
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103. I agree with you, 12AngryMen, even though you have been banned from this board.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:31 PM
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104. This:
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