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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:25 AM
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Why we should not be excited about reviving the Public Option
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 08:27 AM by maryf
This is from a national conference call, “Medicare for All: Still the One,”
There were about 250 people on this call, Following is by Kip Sullivan from that call. Kip Sullivan wrote the bait and switch piece at pnhp, link to that on edit. http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-and-switch-how-the-%E2%80%9Cpublic-option%E2%80%9D-was-sold/

from www.healthcare-now.org

INTRODUCTION
It’s easy enough to explain why the “public option” was defeated. It’s a lot harder to explain why it rose to prominence in the first place. Even in the watered down form in which it was adopted by Democrats, the PO was probably no more politically feasible than single-payer was, but it was a lot harder to explain. And the watered down form wouldn’t work, and it probably wouldn’t even have survived.

The PO was so tiny when Democrats introduced it in June 2009 that it is fair to say it was moribund upon arrival if not dead on arrival. It was placed on life support when Sen. Reid struck it from the Senate bill in November, and it was finally put out of its misery by the election of Scott Brown in MA in January of this year.

The PO wasn’t politically feasible in 2009 for the obvious reason that it was opposed by the same people who would have opposed a single-payer system. Perhaps as importantly, the PO wasn’t politically feasible because the people who promoted it weren’t serious enough about it to make it a condition of their support for the Democrats’ bill.

So it’s pretty easy to explain why the PO fell. What’s not so easy to explain is why a lot of smart people thought the PO was such a good idea to begin with and why, if they thought it was such a good idea, they didn’t make it their bottom line. When the campaign for the PO began in 2005, it wasn’t at all clear that the leaders of the campaign intended to throw the PO overboard if that’s what it took to get Congress to pass an insurance industry bailout (by which I mean the individual mandate and the subsidies to make the mandate affordable). But by June 2009, it was clear the leaders of the PO campaign had NO intention of making a big, powerful PO a condition that Democrats had to meet. And by Xmas Eve 2009, it was clear the PO campaign had no intention of even making a TINY, ineffective PO a precondition for its support.

It appears, in short, that the leaders of the PO campaign saw an insurance industry bailout as more important than the PO. Many leaders of the PO campaign may even have seen the PO as merely a fig leaf to induce progressives (both inside and outside of Congress) to think it was ok to support a bailout.

The modern version of the PO was brought to us by Jacob Hacker. And it was promoted by Health Care for America Now and the Herndon Alliance. The Herndon Alliance has received much less publicity than HCAN, but it played a seminal role in the development of the PO campaign. So, to understand why the proponents of the PO supported it, but not enough to make it a non-negotiable demand, it helps to review the thinking of Hacker and of the founders of HCAN and the Herndon Alliance.

I doubt I’ll have enough time to describe both Hacker’s thinking and that of the Herndon Alliance and HCAN leaders. I think what I’ll do is describe Hacker’s original version of the PO, his rationale for it, what happened to the PO after it arrived in Congress in 2009, and how Hacker accommodated himself to the degradation of the PO. And then, if I have any time left over, I’ll talk briefly about the Herndon Alliance and HCAN. If I don’t have time to talk about HCAN and the Herndon Alliance, that’s ok. Their thinking pretty much mirrored Hacker’s. Like Hacker, they saw single-payer as politically infeasible; they started out supporting a big PO as a more politically feasible substitute for single-payer; and they didn’t object when congressional Democrats unveiled a microscopic form of the PO in June.

THE ORIGINAL HACKER PROPOSAL
Hacker first proposed what he called Medicare-Plus in a paper he wrote in 2001. He published another version of his idea in 2007. In that second paper, he called his idea Health Care for America. The label “public option” didn’t appear till early 2009.

Hacker’s idea, basically, was to have the federal government create a health insurance company that would sell health insurance to the nonelderly. Hacker assumed this company would enjoy all the efficiencies of Medicare and would therefore be able to undersell the insurance industry. Hacker never used the word “company” or “business” to describe the federal program he had in mind. Instead, he repeatedly described his proposed public entity as a program that would be “like Medicare.” Hacker’s refusal to use appropriate terminology contributed greatly to the confusion that became rampant among PO advocates by 2009.

There is, of course, a huge difference between what Hacker was proposing and Medicare. Medicare is a single-payer program – it’s the only insurer of basic medical services for Americans over 65 and the disabled. Because it is a single-payer insuring such a large population, and moreover a population with above-average medical needs, Medicare enjoys advantages that the insurance industry will never enjoy, including huge size, low overhead, and an ability to induce docs and hospitals to accept below-industry reimbursement rates.

The public company Hacker was proposing would have to compete with 1,500 other insurance companies within the multiple-payer jungle. The public company he was proposing would NOT be a single-payer – it would be just one insurance company among hundreds. It’s therefore far more accurate to refer to what Hacker was proposing as a company, a corporation, or a business that would be set up by the government. It was ALWAYs misleading for Hacker to refer to his proposed entity as a government program like Medicare, and it was EXTREMELY misleading for him and his acolytes to continue doing so after the Democrats adopted a microscopic version of the PO.

However, the early version of the PO that Hacker proposed DID have the potential to become a Medicare-for-all program for nonelderly Americans. In his 2001 and 2007 papers, Hacker said he wanted to give his public insurance company several very important advantages that would have allowed the company to start out with enormous size and to grow even larger early in its life. Hacker proposed five advantages or criteria for his original PO:

(1) It had to be prepopulated (he would have shifted Medicaid and SCHIP enrollees and all or some of the uninsured into the PO);
(2) Subsidies would go only to the PO;
(3) It would be open to all non-elderly Americans;
(4) It would have the authority to use Medicare rates (this was not as important as the first three criteria); and
(5) The insurance industry had to offer the same coverage.

According to an analysis of Hacker’s 2007 paper by the Lewin Group, Hacker’s original PO would have enjoyed premiums 23% below those of the insurance industry and would have enrolled 129 million people, or about half the non-elderly population. According to the Lewin Group, Hacker’s original version of the public company would grow rapidly, from insuring half the non-elderly in 2008 to two-thirds of the non-elderly within a decade. Conversely, the insurance industry’s share of the non-elderly market would shrink from half to 35% within ten years.

In my view, the Lewin Group grossly underestimated how much damage Hacker’s original version of the PO would do to the insurance industry. I think a public insurer with half the non-elderly population and premiums at 23 percent below the industry’s would have quickly destroyed the insurance industry. Twenty-three percent is an enormous differential. To put 23 percent in perspective, consider that HMOs in the 1980s had premiums only 5-10% lower than the traditional non-managed-care insurance companies they eventually displaced. Even though most Americans didn’t want to be in HMOs, employers all over the country pushed their employees into HMOs in order to take advantage of that 5-10 percent premium differential. And that was two decades ago when premiums took less of a bite out of everyone’s pocket. Can you imagine how fast employers would dump their existing insurance company today for a 23 percent cut in their premium, especially if the PO were as kind and gentle as PO advocates say it would be?

It’s hard to believe that someone as informed about health policy as Hacker didn’t know his original PO had the potential to become a single-payer for the non-elderly. Let me read to you a portion of a transcript of a phone conference call sponsored by EPI on January 11, 2007 in which two participants, Ezra Klein (a blogger for the Washington Post) and Bob Kuttner (co-editor of the American Prospect), asked Hacker why he thought his proposal would succeed any better than Clinton’s 1993 Health Security Act. Klein says, “What you’ve proposed here is much more fundamentally dangerous to the actors who killed it the last time around.” Kuttner, who must have seen an early draft of the Lewin report, says, “ou’re setting in train a gradual process whereby the whole system gradually shifts from 50/50 to 60/40 to 70/30. So after a couple of generations, almost everybody is in the quasi-Medicare program. Is that the intent?”

Hacker denied that was his intent. He agreed that the PO would start out at 50 percent, but then it would basically just get stuck there despite its enormous cost advantages over the private insurance industry. Here’s what Hacker said: “ did not forecast a huge shift over just a 10-year period. I think it was a shift of two percentage points over that period. So, at that rate, we’d have everyone within Medicare in about 250 years.”

But Hacker was wrong. As I’ve already told you, when the Lewin Group released its analysis of Hacker’s proposed program a year after this conversation took place, they projected a 34% increase in the PO’s enrollment over a decade, not 2%. And as I said, I think Lewin was being way too conservative.

Hacker’s answer to Klein and Kuttner illustrates the strange state of denial Hacker and other PO advocates induced in themselves as they tried to sell the PO as a politically feasible alternative to single-payer even though it would, in its original form, do a lot of damage to the insurance industry and would probably have led to a single-payer for the non-elderly.

But Hacker’s confusion (and the confusion of other PO leaders) over whether the PO would be more feasible than a single-payer was MINOR compared to the confusion that set in when congressional Democrats adopted a microscopic version of Hacker’s original PO. When the Democrats released their draft legislation in June 2009, it was clear they had stripped out four of the five criteria for the public company that Hacker had specified in his original papers.

The only criterion the Democrats kept was the one requiring insurance companies to offer the same coverage as the PO. The other four criteria –
• the one calling for prepopulation of the PO,
• the one requiring that only the PO get subsidies,
• the one requiring that the PO be available to all non-elderly Americans, and
• the one authorizing Medicare’s reimbursement rates
– all four of those criteria were gone. Now it was crystal clear to anyone who understood what Hacker had originally proposed that the PO the Democrats had adopted was so small it wouldn’t affect the insurance industry. The Congressional Budget Office said the Senate version of the PO would insure no one; it said the House version would insure 10 million, and then later scaled that back to 6 million.
Now that the PO had been shriveled down from 129 million people to zero to 6 million, PO advocates faced not only the same old political feasibility problem (the insurance industry and the Republicans continued to scream about the tiny PO as if it were a big PO or a single-payer), but they also faced a huge logistical problem. A PO that represented no one on the day it opened for business wouldn’t be able to crack most insurance markets in the US, and might not even be able to survive.

This is where Hacker’s habit of always comparing the PO to Medicare became extremely misleading. When Medicare commenced operations on July 1, 1966, it represented nearly all seniors. With the exception of a few hospitals in the south that temporarily resisted integrating their facilities, all clinics and hospitals in America immediately began accepting Medicare enrollees even though there was no law requiring them to do so. The reason all clinics and hospitals did that is that Medicare represented an enormous constituency on day one and providers didn’t want to walk away from so many patients and so much money.

The tiny PO the Democrats incorporated into their bills was no Medicare. It would represent no one on the day it opened for business. It would have to do what NO insurance company has done in the last three or four decades, which is to create a new, successful insurance company in every state in the US. In fact, I’m pretty sure no insurance company has expanded into even ONE new market in the last three decades by building a new insurance company from scratch. For the last three decades, insurance companies that wanted to expand their empires have done so by BUYING their way into new markets. That is, they bought an existing insurance company.

But Hacker and other PO advocates blithely ignored this issue. They ignored it because they continued to talk about the Democrats’ PO as if it were the same huge PO Hacker had originally proposed. I might add that the CBO totally ignored this issue as well. The CBO never examined the issue of whether the PO would be able to crack even one US market, much less all of them. I think the CBO was being extremely generous to the House version of the PO when they said it would insure 6 million people.

Nevertheless, as inexplicably rosy as it was, the CBO’s reports on the PO sealed its fate. The poor PO was already hated by the right wing and the insurance industry. It was being promoted by people who cared more about an insurance industry bailout than the PO. And now the CBO was revealing the truth about the Democrats’ version of the PO – that it was laughably small and for that reason was going to save little or no money.

When Democrats throughout Congress, especially those in swing districts, asked themselves why they should vote for something as controversial as a PO when the darn thing wouldn’t save any money, PO advocates had no answers.

To sum up: The PO rose to prominence because powerful Democratic constituency groups thought single-payer was not feasible but the PO was. They were wrong. The PO failed politically, and it failed as a policy idea. Politically, it turned out to be no more feasible than single-payer. As a policy, it was a disaster. The tiny PO adopted by Democrats would have accomplished nothing other than to embarrass all of us who believe government must play a prominent role in insuring the uninsured.

Tags: Barack Obama, health care, Healthcare Reform, HR 676, public option, Single Payer Healthcare, Single-Payer, universal healthcare
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:28 AM
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1. Nobody could have read this that fast...
Are we so desparate and afraid, we can't even read the truth, unrecs already for one who is on everybody's side here?
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vegiegals Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:36 AM
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3. sorry to see that happen. I will
rec it.

I will bookmark for later. thanks.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:33 AM
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2. "The PO failed politically"
It passed in the House, and only failed in the Senate because of two or three weak centrists.

Saying it was "tiny" was similar to what they said about medicare and social security.

Nice try though.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:44 AM
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7. Do you read thoroughly?
The difference between the House and Senate bills were humongous, do you want mandates (only the poor will suffer, gee, they'll get to pay fines and still not get covered!!) One huge difference between True Medicare for all and the public option, is that the first is a single payer system saving 400 billion in administrative costs alone. People's health should not be something others' profit on so hugely!!! and with the "public option" bills the private insurance companies will actually profit more!! and the people will pay out the nose...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:47 AM
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11. Where did I say that the public option was as good as single payer?
:shrug:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:42 PM
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22. My bad?
I was reading stuff between the lines that might not have been there... sorry! :) I myself can't except anything with profit based on people's needs...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:37 AM
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4. It's kind of a lengthy post. Is it all lifted from another source?
What happened to the 3 or 4 paragraph rule?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:40 AM
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5. Its from healthcare-now.org
Kip Sullivan, they ask folks to share...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:41 AM
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6. I got that part. Is the whole thing lifted?
It's awfully damn long.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:46 AM
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9. No, the conference call was over an hour...
this is one part that they made into a transcript...why do you care so much??
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:47 AM
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10. It can go as long or short, as conference calls are wont to do.
But Jesus, it sure is a lengthy post.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:49 AM
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13. Many posts contain links that folks are expected to read...
sorry...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:55 AM
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14. Three or so paragraphs might have been plenty, maryf.
Some of us folks can summarize reasonably well.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:29 PM
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20. Your point is made.
I'll keep it in mind next time. Peace, Mary
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:40 PM
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21. It is dangerous at times to skim...
important details can be lost: its why so many are so excited about the public option, the devil is in the details, and we need to look the devil in the eye...
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:48 PM
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16. ..
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 12:49 PM by Faryn Balyncd
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:35 AM
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34. I'm sorry I don't know what .. means?
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 08:36 AM by maryf
I'm a maroon, regarding some things...
(can't spell either, reason for edit!)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:45 AM
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8. KnR
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 08:47 AM by supernova
Thanks for this maryf.

I've always wondered what the story of the PO as policy tool was. I had never heard of Hacker.

We should go back to his original proposal, it seems. But how to make them do that?

edit: If you got that from another source you need to cut it to four paragraphs and provide a direct link. That's DU copyright policy.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:48 AM
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12. Obama said "if we were starting from scratch we should go with single-payer"
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 08:48 AM by maryf
No we're back to scratch and single payer isn't allowed at the table...
another thread on that on edit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7735567
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:45 PM
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23. thanks
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 05:48 PM by maryf
the length has been pointed out, its a transcript of part of a conference call...I think the source is more than happy to share, in fact they ask people to...its a not for profit, www.healthcare-now.org/
, Peace, Mary
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:41 AM
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15. What are the details of the "public option" that Diane Feinstein just signed on to?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:52 PM
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33. If Feinstein has signed on
you can be sure the devil is in those details.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:44 PM
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17. k&r
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:16 PM
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32. Thanks!!
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 07:16 PM by maryf
:hi:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:18 PM
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18. If anyone really believes the Public Option will make a comeback
I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

This is all posturing toward the base, no one expects it to be in the final bill.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:28 PM
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19. Thanks!
You are right. I sincerely hope all the public option people here aren't in too much shock when this happens, as private insurance has such a role in writing all of this, they sure as heck don't want to lose any profits!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:02 PM
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25. If anyone thinks America will make a comeback without it
I have a couple of tall buildings in New York to sell you.

You're very likely right. Single payer and public option will not pass. And America will decline never to recover. Yay! for hope and change, corporatist style.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:12 PM
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26. Sadly the two are not the same thing...
The Public Option maintains that a private option is viable, Single Payer does not.

We are the only industrialized nation without a Universal Health Care System: as you likely know, not all countries have single payer, but nobody dies because they are denied health care coverage, and nobody profits on a human being's health or lack thereoff.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:18 PM
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27. True
My whole family has used medical in developing countries and it's better in every sense. Much much cheaper too, even paying out of pocket as a non-citizen.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:58 PM
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24. Hi!! for all concerned about the length
DU's main concern is copyright, I just spoke to the head of Healthcare-Now directly, phenomenal woman Katie Robbins, one of the Baucus 8. She said it was fine to copy the transcript in its entirety, and of course I attributed Healthcare-Now! Ease your minds! and I'll edit next time!
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:30 PM
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28. Best PO life story I've read so far.
This explains it all very well.

So, the PO that Senators are throwing their weight behind this week is still the same old watered-down PO that was scratched out of the potential legislation last December?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:36 PM
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29. Sadly the dems think this will save their reputations...
it is bound to fail on that count as well....
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:37 PM
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30. K&R
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:04 PM
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31. Thanks!!
seems I can always count on you!! :hi:
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