If the Austin Crash/Attack Turns Out to be a RW Act

Nuclear Unicorn

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:10 PM
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If the Austin Crash/Attack Turns Out to be a RW Act

Should the gov't apply the RW'ers own tactics against them, i.e. profiling, warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, enhanced interrogations, etc?

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Ozymanithrax

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:11 PM
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1. No...

Right Wing violence is not excuse to shit on the Cosntitution.

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aquart

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:11 PM
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2. And if it's left wing? What if the guy admired Marx?

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Ozymanithrax

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:12 PM
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3. I admire Groucho...Does that count...

I also admire Lennon...does that make me a socialist?

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Nuclear Unicorn

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:15 PM
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6. It's hard to imagine a political body that espouses anti-war principles...

...would instigate such an act.

No offense to you personally, I know you're speaking hypothetically, but I have to dismiss the suggestion out-of-hand.

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no_hypocrisy

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:12 PM
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4. Just wondering . . . is James O'Keefe still under house arrest?

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Don Caballero

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:13 PM
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5. Yes. I do fear this was an attack by the RW teabaggers

They are now using suicide bombings. Domestic terrorism is more real than ever now.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:21 PM
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13. I suspect this was not so much a 'suicide bombing' as a suicide that

aimed to take 'them' with him. If he hadn't had a plane, he'd have walked through the front door with a gun to make it suicide by cop. It will probably come out as being massive depression linked to economic and/or health conditions, not an overtly political act.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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dgibby

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:22 PM
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17. Check out the other threads on this.

It appears to be a case of going postal over a long standing tax problem. The IRS was in the building that was hit.

The pilot, Joseph Stack, also set his house on fire (with his family in it-they were rescued by the neighbors). He left a suicide note, owned a Piper plane, took off from the Georgetown Tx airport without filing a flight plan.

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msanthrope

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM
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26. The teabaggers are using suicide bombings? Oh, please.....

Have you seen these pathetic assholes?

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onehandle

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM
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7. Don't take any chances! Round up the Freepers right now!

And make them gay marry.

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gateley

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:17 PM
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8. What would constitute a "RW attack"? I'm not coming up with a RW statement

the act could make. What am I missing?

Even if the pilot is RW, my current thinking is that it's somebody who buckled under pressure from the IRS or something -- and that desperation and helplessness (and anger) transcends RW/LW, IMO.

But as I said, I may just not be seeing what the RW would hope to accomplish by this -- enlighten me.

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wryter2000

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:20 PM
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12. I'm not necessarily espousing the idea of rw terrorism

But, if it were to turn out that way, it wouldn't be an organized attack by the rw. Rather, it would be a disgrunted rwer acting on his own to create terror within the hated federal government.

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gateley

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:25 PM
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20. Okay -- understood. Thanks. nt

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Nuclear Unicorn

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:22 PM
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14. I'm thinking a Tim McVeigh type

Didn't the Tea Party just start work on/issue a manifesto or something?

They're the ones who are hyper-militarized, anti-government, anti-taxes, gun owning and angry all the time.

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gateley

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:26 PM
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22. Okay -- I see your point. Thanks. nt

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kudzu22

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:19 PM
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9. Whatever the truth turns out to be

I predict rampant hypocrisy on all sides. RWers will call it an act of patriotism, and LWers will suddenly support the Patriot Act.

Someone stop the ride - I want to get off now.

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Jared P

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Thu Feb-18-10 02:32 PM
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28. Patriot Act was written by Clinton and crew...

...at the end of his term. They turned it over to BushCo who ignored it until post 9/11, then yanked a few protections and rammed it through a scared congress. Obama as a fellow moderate democrat has been using it in the form Clinton originally designed minus the few parts declared unconstitutional. No surprise, and I wouldn't even call it hypocrisy for more democrats to fall into line with their party moderates.

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WeDidIt

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:19 PM
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10. His online suicide note sounds more like a Libertarian Sovereign Person Teabagger type

http://embeddedart.com/

Definitely anti-tax.

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Oregone

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:22 PM
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15. Anti-tax, anti-capitalism/corporatism, anti-Bush, anti-everything that he blames for his fuckups

And did I forget anti-tax?

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dgibby

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:26 PM
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21. Well, he flew the plane into the IRS offices.

That's one hell of a way of getting out of paying your taxes.

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Oregone

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:28 PM
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23. Theyll extract his taxes when the insurance policy on his plane/life is paid out

THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!!

:)

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kudzu22

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:39 PM
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25. Yeah, kinda, but

he also goes off on executives, big business and the Catholic church. He was 54 years old and I think he just realized that life isn't fair. Most of us realize that around age five.

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NNN0LHI

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:19 PM
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11. How about torturing all his friends and family to find out what they know?

Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:20 PM by NNN0LHI

Thats what the Republicans want done to all them Muslin terra-ists.

Don

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Nuclear Unicorn

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:24 PM
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19. Don't be silly just to be silly

What about his acquaintences?

Was he part of a group?

Is it worth finding out?

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Flubadubya

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:22 PM
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16. And what are we to make of this?

...the last two lines of Joe Stack's manifesto?

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

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Oregone

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:23 PM
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18. Not sure if he prefers Marx to Rand, or hates both equally

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Peacetrain

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:31 PM
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24. Those last two line are totally incongruous with his (Stacks) rant..

Teapartier or mad libertarian

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Nuclear Unicorn

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Thu Feb-18-10 01:47 PM
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27. Swell

Someone please tell me those last 2 lines were planted AFTER his death. The RWers are going to have a field day with this.

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Better Today

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Thu Feb-18-10 02:40 PM
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29. That's a huge "IF" you've got there.

Sounds to me like the guy is just like most of the population right now regarding who and why he was despairing and full of vengefulness, just went a lot further than he "should" have or than most of us would.

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