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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:29 PM
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For All the Poor Oppressed Joseph Stack's of the World, I have this


Grow the fuck up.

And, by the way, if you "identified" with the Michael Douglass character in "Falling Down," you happen to be a reactionary racist asshole.

That is all.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:31 PM
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1. Seriously, This Douche Had Enough To Buy A Private Plane But Whines
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 05:38 PM by Beetwasher
About having to pay his taxes. So he doesn't. And then he's pissed that the IRS is coming after him so he flies a plane into a building to take out as many innocent people as he can, including trying to fry his family by setting his fucking house on fire.

He's a fucking unsympathetic, murderous, selfish scumbag. There is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING about him that I can empathize with about him or understand about his situation. And anyone who says they can "understand" but not condone his actions must be as fucking selfish and delusional as he was. Anyone who feels any type of empathy for his screed, or understanding for his situation is a fucking idiot.

He had plenty of money. Money to buy a house. Money to buy a plane. He was just too fucking selfish to pay his taxes.

He was NOT getting crushed by the gov't. All his problems were HIS OWN MAKING. If you don't pay your taxes, guess what? You're a fucking criminal. You are not being crushed by the system. You are being crushed by your own selfish stupidity and sense of entitlement.

How anyone thinks otherwise is beyond me.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:36 PM
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2. He also lived in a very weathly area of Austin
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:07 PM
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7. Wish I could rec this post.
:applause:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:29 PM
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14. Well said! n/t
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:47 PM
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19. +1
sell the plane, pay the taxes. Ya got the money to buy the plane, pay the taxes first, buy the plane later.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:48 PM
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25. +2 nt
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:51 PM
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20. Word up
"If you don't pay your taxes, guess what? You're a fucking criminal."

True dat.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:43 PM
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32. The plane was stolen.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:07 PM
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36. No, it wasn't
It was his plane.

False early report.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:41 PM
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37. I wonder where they got the idea that it was stolen from.
Hm.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:45 PM
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38. I remember after Oklahoma City, Tom Brokaw
upon reporting the sketches of the two obviously white guys (pre-McVeigh identification) said something like "Well, Arab terrorists sometimes recruit white Americans for their operations." It was fucking ludicrous, of course, but showed the extent to which people's perceptions are clouded by their prejudices.

In this case, the notion that Stack's plane was "stolen" likely proliferated because "Joe Stack" doesn't scan like "Abdul Mutallab." It's interesting *who* continues to believe that the plane was stolen, in any case.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:01 PM
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39. Yep... I'd like to think there was some other reason...
something that makes some kind of sense.

But it's probably just simple prejudice.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:43 PM
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40. I heard it on NPR. The plane was intially reported as stolen then changed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:58 PM
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42. Yes... but who reported it as stolen?
That's what I'd like to know.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:36 PM
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52. I think theysaid someone at the airfield.
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:11 PM
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33. Agreed.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:44 PM
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41. +1
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Madame DuFuey Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:06 PM
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44. Thank you
I think you hit the nail on the head here.
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Madame DuFuey Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:09 PM
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45. and to the OP as well
I meant to say that I agree with you and the OP.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:13 PM
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47. actually he may have owned a house and plane
but were they paid for or was he treading water in debt?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:25 PM
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51. Maybe he should pay his goddamn taxes rather than buying fucking planes
You know, like the rest of us.

WTF.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:38 PM
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53. Seems pretty obvious, doesn't it? (nt)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:23 AM
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55. I never said that he shouldn't
I simply made the point that "owning" a house and a plane does not mean you are wealthy. That depends on equity and cash-flow.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:37 PM
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3. but but he quoted marx and he threw in some stuff about health care
how can you be so heartless?


:sarcasm:
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:28 PM
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13. This is all very surreal
I work right by this building and seeing it and smelling the burn in the air, all I can think is, WTF.
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Madame DuFuey Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:10 PM
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46. Being close to the scene of the crime
I'm sorry to hear you were so close to the building. I hope you are ok.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:10 PM
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9. I agree with the OP.
:nopity:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:36 PM
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15. i don't give a fuck about greedy assholes who evade taxes. you're absolutely right.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:39 PM
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17. Oftentimes, understanding doesnt include corroboration.
It is called intelligence.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:43 PM
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18. There's no doubt the working class is getting fucked
There's also no doubt that this guy was a selfish, brattish child his entire life.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:33 PM
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50. Did I read his so called "manifesto" correctly?
Just read his seven pages on smoking gun and am I correct in thinking that his final big beef with the government was, that he was audited and had not declared roughly twelve thousand of his wife's income?

If that is the case then WTF indeed?!

The guy had a private plane that seats six, but he couldn't pay taxes on twelve grand?

Thank you Glenn Beck and other like minded media assholes for causing a lot of this delusional thinking amongst our spoiled aging yuppie populace!

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:04 PM
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5. K&R
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:06 PM
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6. K&R. nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:39 PM
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16. CRUISE MISSLE!!1!!! LATTE IN MY FACE!!11!1 PRIVATE SCHOOL ARGHHHHH *soil*
:hi:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:46 PM
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23. You little conservadem you!!!!
I just knocked over my tea laughing so hard.

:spank:

:hi:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:10 PM
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27. i aim to please
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 09:10 PM by dionysus
:D
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:47 PM
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24. If you're going to go on and on about some epic fail thread...
at least have the courtesy to link to it.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:08 PM
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26. i would, but all the good stuff got zapped like from the one today....
:(
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:09 PM
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8. KnR
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:24 PM
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12. Thank you for saying this....
I had to turn off Rhandi today, too much sympathizing and trying to understand this domestic terrorist. It was making me sick.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:03 PM
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21. Kicked and rec'd. If this man had had brown skin and been named Achmed
we all know the whole "sympathy" angle would NEVER have even been brought up. They would have been condemning this latest round of "Muslim terrorism" before the damn day was out, facts be damned.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:34 AM
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34. From the M$M or DUers?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:08 PM
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54. Either.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:33 PM
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22. He was a selfish asshole
I have no sympathy for him and his excuses.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:11 PM
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28. damn it.
My best DU rant ever was in this thread and now it's gone forever :cry:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:25 PM
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29. here's a good tip for you my friend. if you want to save a rant or thread, go to file in the browser
window, and save the file as an html page. pics might not be there forever but it works....
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:29 PM
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31. thanks for the tip! n/t
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:27 PM
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30. Also, he wanted to use tax loopholes too.
Mr. Stark had no desire to see the big corporations and their owners pay their fare share of the tax burden. He was mad that he could not be on their side.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:35 AM
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35. Exactly. (nt)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:01 PM
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43. I sure wish I had a plane and a really nice house. Then I could get angry about my taxes too.
I am having trouble relating to this man. There is populist anger out there. This man had nothing in common with what many people go through on an everyday basis. He had a grievance against a certain tax code. It may be an unfair tax code. But he still was able to make tons of money.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:19 PM
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48. I am flabbergasted by the people trying to hitch their political issues to this guy
Or who sympathize with him in any way.

Last Friday my aunt who is only 50 was diagnosed with multiple myeloma. Her husband is abusive, she has 2 kids that she has total reponsibility for, she is reponsible for most of the family bills...and she's dealing with it.

And we're supposed to have empathy for a rich tax cheat with a private plane who thinks he's entitled to other people's lives?

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:22 PM
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49. So many of us have tons of issues that don't make us snap.
My husband's job is unstable as the utility he works for lost tons of money this year with the bad economy. But I am not ready to hurt anyone over it. I am a diabetic and deal with the nasty insurance company not wanting to cover certain meds. Just dealt with that issue a few weeks ago. I have not tried to kill anyone over it. He was selfish for sure.
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