Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Covert Ops: a high school military recruiting tale

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:38 PM
Original message
Covert Ops: a high school military recruiting tale
A student teacher I work with informed me that his cooperating teacher invited a National Guard recruiter in to her high school class, ostensibly to speak about "going to college" for the Careers unit they just started. Instead, he apparently spent over 75 minutes informing students (falsely) how expensive college is and how hard it is to pay for it. He managed to work in quite a few plugs for the NG along the way and handed out a booklet with a quiz supposedly designed to tell you what career you're best suited for. He also managed to work in this comment: "I can't imagine how anyone who considers himself a patriot wouldn't want to fight for their country." (The student teacher refrained from pointing out the recruiter's pronoun/antecedent error.)

Adding insult to injury, he and his partner were invited back for a SECOND visit the next day.

My favorite part is where, in reference to a student who's a lot slower than the rest, the recruiter whispered to the teacher, "God, that kid's a dumbass."

This is SO wrong that I don't even know where to start. The student teacher was infuriated by the whole thing, but he can't do anything about it. I only hope some of the parents get wind of this little activity and voice some objections.

I'm going to assume that this covert approach is from the recruiting textbook on how to get your foot in the door at local schools.

Worked pretty well, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
1. Sad.
It's been a bad day.

I hate the way one generation enslaves the next to reassure itself that its own sacrifices were not in vain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
2. I pulled just the opposite..
When I came home, they asked me to come speak to the high-schoolers.

After the intro, I walked to the podium, thanked them for having me, and said, "The first thing we would do after entering a village was to round up all the elders and throw them in the well".

I did not last long.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. If they'd let you talk, they might have learned something.
One of my social studies teachers had just come back a year earlier. I didn't learn much geography that year, but I found out a whole lot about Vietnam. I was very happy to be 15 and female and not ever have to worry about doing what he did.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. thanks for your honesty-those must have been hard things to say nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:05 PM
Response to Original message
4. It has gotten despicable.
I use to invite the AF Recruiter to speak to my technology classes, because they do have a lot of advanced technical opportunities. But I quit doing that because they began using what I considered were underhanded techniques to recruit kids. I never had ours say anything out of the way, such as your story shows, but he did go into a financial explanation of how much money they saved by not having to pay any housing, medical, or food costs.

Most high schools offer the ASVAB test sponsored by the AF; it's a career/aptitude test to show your strengths & interests correlated to career options. Our counselors encouraged all of our students to take this test to help them decide on careers after graduation. When my own children took this test, they began receiving an onslaught of military recruitment mail, followed by many phone calls to our home. The Navy in particular hounded my son until he was force to be rather rude to the guy. (My son would never speak harshly to someone; just not his nature, but this guy was relentless.) Now the Marines are calling.

I realize this ASVAB test is a HOOK to get the info on the kids, so they can harass them into joining, or grab those that don't immediately have other options at their disposal upon graduation. When my students ask me if they should take this test, I now tell them what will happen & explain to them that they must decide if it is worth their while.

I would really like to see these recruiters banned from the schools. I have had students tell me that they didn't have to study or try to make good grades in my classes because they were going into the military & their recruiter told them so! It actually can undermine some kids effort to succeed in school.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:07 PM
Response to Original message
5. College isn't expensive?
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 10:07 PM by Zywiec
"he apparently spent over 75 minutes informing students (falsely) how expensive college is and how hard it is to pay for it"

What's false about that?

I have two kids getting ready for college. Can you tell me how this won't be expensive?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Dupe. Delete
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 11:14 PM by Sabriel
Dupe. Delete.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. He was painting it as a little too expensive.
For example, he told them tuition alone would cost them "about $9000" each semester at the local state system school, which is waaaaay off reality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Where can you go to school for way less then 9K per semester?
It costs about 20K per year at the University of Maryland for residents. That's the local state system school.

http://www.uga.umd.edu/admissions/finaid/tuition.asp
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC