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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:41 PM
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Docs Leave Foot-Long Instrument In Woman
Spatula-Like Instrument Left Inside Woman For 5 Months

8:49 am EST February 19, 2010

PRAGUE -- It took five long months for a Czech woman to discover the reason for her pain: Doctors had left a foot-long medical tool inside her abdomen. This month, doctors at a clinic in the southeastern town of Ivancice discovered their colleagues had forgotten to remove a spatula-like surgical instrument from the woman following gynecological surgery in September.

Top regional official Michal Hasek apologized to 66-year-old Zdenka Kopeckova and said Monday that the region, which is in charge of the clinic, plans to compensate her.

Clinic head Jaromir Hrubes blamed "a series of individual failures" and said four employees had been punished.

CT24 news television reported that the woman, who complained repeatedly to her doctors about the pain, plans to sue.

http://www.newsnet5.com/health/22607113/detail.html

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Snow Bird Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:46 PM
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1. $5 dollar footlong?
Thanks for the ear worm.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:46 PM
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2. Here in Texas she could sue but to collect more than actual
costs plus $250,000 she would have to prove that the surgical team planned to leave the instrument inside her.

Thank ya' Governor George W!
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:13 PM
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6. In this case, would it really matter?
No permanent damage, just a bit of discomfort until it was discovered. A quarter million in compensation is a lot of money for that.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:16 PM
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7. How do we know it was a bit of discomfort?
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:13 PM
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10. The problem with that is
that with only $250k possible the patient would have to foot the cost of suing entirely on her own. An attorney costs between a few hundred and thousands of dollars an hour. How many hours could you buy? The only other option is to get an attorney to take the case on contingency whereby the attorney absorbs all costs in exchange for a % of the settlement. The potential settlement must be large enough to cover all the costs of the case and net the law firm a reasonable profit. If that possibility doesn't exist no attorney will take the case and without thousands or tens of thousands of dollars to hire an attorney the patient is impotent in the face of deep pockets.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:14 PM
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11. Sort of like being shot.
Sure, it hurts for a bit, but no biggie. Right?

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I can't believe people are so callous about women's lives. We'll just send her through major surgery, cut her open, and remove a foot-long object from her abdomen. Major surgery when it's done on women is considered an inconvenience and a bit of discomfort.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:36 PM
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13. Does it really matter that it was a woman and not a man? Do doctors take more care with men?
How does the fact it happened to a woman play into this AT ALL?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:04 PM
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14. Reducing major surgery to "minor discomfort"
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 03:07 PM by noamnety
just reminded me of the anti-choice talking point that for women, going through labor or major surgery is an "inconvenience."

Being shot, though - that sounds all manly, like something that could happen to a guy. That's why people don't refer to it as "minor discomfort," I figure.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:41 PM
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18. Your profile makes a claim re gender that isn't reflected in your post, I'm afraid.
"Being shot, though - that sounds all manly..." How so?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:59 PM
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19. Being shot
is something that happens primarily to men (90% or so male victims) and is romanticized in movies as part of men's culture (war movies, westerns, etc.). Unlike childbirth, which doesn't happen to too many men.

Things that happen to women exclusively (like c-sections) are often trivialized through language, as in the anti-choice crowd's language (an inconvenience). I found echoes of that in language used in the OP ("discomfort" to describe both the pain of having a foot long metal object in a woman's stomach, and the pain and recovery of the resulting surgery to cut open a woman's abdomen to remove an object that large.)

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:37 PM
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21. maybe that is all it was - discomfort
I have had abdominal surgery - it was nothing compared to birthing or kidney stones which were more "natural" not sure what you are getting at.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:09 PM
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22. She had a foot long piece of metal poking her in the abdomen - for 5 MONTHS.
But go ahead and assume it was best described as "discomfort."

:crazy:
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:21 PM
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23. maybe it didn't hurt that much - unless it was actually poking or interfering
with organ function it might not have been so bad - one would think if it was intensely painful some kind of imaging would have been done.

One can live just fine with artificial "things" in their body - as long as there is no infection or puncturing of tissue. My point was it COULD be described as minor discomfort - that is in the realm of possibility. Having an object in the abdomen is not necessarily extremely painful - I mean obviously it might be, one would think bending would at least elicit some kind of sensation, on the other hand it might be unbearable.

Discomfort could describe both the object's presence and the surgery to remove it.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:26 PM
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25. Is it reasonable to make that the default assumption?
Quoting from the post I responded to:

"No permanent damage, just a bit of discomfort until it was discovered."

Note how that's not even phrased as a possibility. It's just a declarative statement.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:32 PM
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26. you don't know any more than the person who made the statement
your outrage seems misplaced - I just tried to explain the possibilities from personal experience. I'm done, now.:hi:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:25 PM
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24. How do you know it was only "a bit of discomfort"?
I would be more inclined to believe a foot long instrument in the abdomen would cause ratcheting, agonizing, pain.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:49 PM
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3. this sort of this would NEVER happen in 'murika
we have the best health care in the world!


(god, i hate that meme)
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:57 PM
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4. A flute?
Oh......nevermind...
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:59 PM
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5. Yeah, this happens. Just remember, if we do get healthcare reform...
...every story like this will cause some people to blame the government. I come from a country with socialized healthcare, and it's great, but it is also an endless political football.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:25 PM
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8. Locking
No se...what? Oh. Never mind.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:57 PM
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9. This is no more or less relevant than a zillion non-locked threads in GD.
I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin'.

;)
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:33 PM
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12. shit happens
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:05 PM
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15. Gross negligence happens. (nt)
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 03:05 PM by noamnety
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:07 PM
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16. I'm imagining people running around all that time blaming
each other because no one knew where the foot long whatchamacallit was:

Did you check the sterilizer?
It's not there!
Did you look in the drawer?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:10 PM
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17. Hiiii, Everybody!!!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:01 PM
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20. Dear. God.
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