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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:27 PM
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Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot (who "took a stand"!)
On the popular social networking website Facebook, various groups commemorating disgruntled pilot Joseph Andrew Stack were formed on Thursday evening. Earlier that day, in what has been described as an act of "domestic terrorism," Stack intentionally crashed his small passenger plane into an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office building in Austin, Texas. So far, he is the only reported fatality.

On the information page of the first group named "The Joe 'Take My Pound Of Flesh' Stack Anti-IRS Fan Page," one administrator wrote, " dedicated to a man, frustrated as so many of us are with our corrupt, inept government, sacrificed his life to make a statement. Will history see him as a patriot or terrorist? Depends on who is doing the writing." This particular group had approximately 250 members.

Another group called "The Philosophy of Joe Stack" apparently came out against the attack, yet sympathized with its reasons: "This page is NOT to glorify his actions, but simply to say that after reading his note, we can agree with...Joe Stacks' thoughts." However, one member went as far to suggest that the United States "need a revolution" and "voting for a Democrat or a Republican is not revolutionary, it is big business as usual."

A third group titled "Joseph Andrew Stack, we salute thee" was supposedly against violence towards others. One administrator did write, "We hope that everyone is okay and accounted for. It is our belief that his intention was not to hurt anyone, but just to prove a point."

On the wall of a fourth group, known simply as "Joseph Andrew Stack," creator Emily Walters of Louisville, Kentucky, wrote: "Finally an American man took a stand against our tyrannical government that no longer follows the constitution and is turned its back on its founding fathers and the beliefs this country was founded on."

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Facebook_takes_down_groups_supporting_Austin_crash_pilot?dpl_id=156591
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:31 PM
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1. I say leave them up
they are revealing.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:33 PM
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3. I tend to agree
IP address logged
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:36 PM
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8. You know your username is considered a "domestic terrorist group".
I wouldn't be so quick to advocate logging IP addresses.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:39 PM
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11. Yep!
It was very intentional.

...and no, I don't support logging ip addresses en masse as the government would be so quick to enjoy.

I semi-retract my statement.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:43 PM
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12. Ehh, no biggie
I semi support Earth First, but I know how the G-men view their stance. It's some logging industry lobbyist who I'm sure pushed a Senator or Congressman to get them labelled as such. Friggin' anti-war protest groups are labelled terrorist groups as well.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:33 PM
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4. Truthfully, I agree. It would give Agent Mike lots of interesting browsing time.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:39 PM
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10. Leave them up. Track down the posters. Apply painful IRS audit. nt
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:33 PM
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2. I do not agree with what this terrorist did...
...he was wrong and his actions were evil and unconscionable.

However, his line of thinking is very similar to what many on the left, and many on the right say and believe.

I could find similar thoughts posted on DU everyday. And on FR.

To glorify this guy with a FB page is wrong. But it is noteworthy that many people share some of his
ideas and feelings.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:34 PM
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6. 'is our belief that his intention was not to hurt anyone, but just to prove a point.'
Who would ever say that here?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:38 PM
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9. I didn't say that DUers agreed with the FB page...
...or what anyone on the FB page was saying.

I clearly stated that some of what the terrorist said--has been said on DU--and
by many, many people across the political spectrum.

NEVER did I say that DUer's share the sentiments of those who put up the FB pages.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:34 PM
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5. "It is our belief that his intention was not to hurt anyone, but just to prove a point."
Fucking morons, everywhere.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:46 PM
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19. "his intention was not to hurt anyone" Really? What did he think a burning plane through the
office would do to people? Tickle?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:48 PM
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20. He said himself he wanted a body count.
Anyone who thinks he didn't intend to hurt anyone, or that he just didn't think about hte people in the building, is a fucking moron.

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:36 PM
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7. "Prove a point"? He didn't "prove" anything.
He "made" a point. A fatal one. It accomplished nothing.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:44 PM
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13. I agree in principle that leaving those Facebook groups up as 'honeypots'
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 02:49 PM by Cirque du So-What
would go a long way toward identifying potentially murderous bastards, but Facebook may be considering potential legal liability down the road. Not a lawyer, but it seems that they could be held somewhat culpable if they provided a haven for domestic terrorists.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:42 PM
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18. That's how I figure they felt too.
Even if they didn't have to worry about lawsuits, it would be unimaginably bad PR to leave a group like that up.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:01 PM
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14. Same wing-nut response after the Oklahoma City bombing
Several right-leaning coworkers said they supported McVeigh's "stand" against the (Clinton) government, although it probably would have been more prudent to bomb the federal building on a weekend, you know, when there weren't all those kids in the day care.

That same ilk began looking for a militia to join about that time. Now, we have teabagger revolts and Angry White Men flying planes into federal offices.

Funny how these GOP types are all for the violent overthrow of the Federal Government whenever their party is out of power, yet when one of their guys is in the White House, they label as a treasonous America-hater anyone who so much as criticizes their GOP president.

For GOPers, they are patriotic only to their political party, not so much their country.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:02 PM
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15. There is already another one up with almost 1000 fans
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 03:03 PM by arcadian
'The Philosophy of Joe Stack'
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:14 PM
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17. When I went to that page
Mohamed Atta was listed as a fan. I posted that lil' tid bit below.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:08 PM
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16. I love that Mohamed Atta is a fan of this Joe Stack fan page.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:54 PM
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21. No shit.
People piss and moan about "moral relativism"...

...what could be more morally relativistic than saying that 'flying an airplane into a building is wrong... unless it's done for a really good reason'?
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