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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:31 PM
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Democrats: “Who Will Rid Us of This Meddlesome Public Option?” - Jane Hamsher/FDL
Democrats: “Who Will Rid Us of This Meddlesome Public Option?”
By: Jane Hamsher Saturday February 20, 2010 11:19 am

<snip>

The “60 vote” bar on the public option was always a sham. But now that it’s gone, nobody wants to be Joe Lieberman and play the role of spoiler so PhRMA can have their deal.

Ezra Klein reports:

I’ve spoken to a lot of offices about this now, and all of them are ambivalent privately, even if they’re supportive publicly. No one feels able to say no to this letter, but none of them seem interested in reopening the wars over the public option. That’s why the White House kicked this at Reid and Reid tossed it back at the White House. If the public option is a done deal, everyone will sign on the dotted line. But between here and there is a lot of work that no one seems committed to doing, and that many fear will undermine the work being done on the rest of the bill.


I totally support the efforts of the PCCC, DFA, CREDO and MoveOn to force the issue on the public option. There is absolutely zero reason not to include it in a health care bill passed through reconciliation, and everyone in Congress needs to be reminded of that fact. The last of the rationalizations for ditching the public option have been peeled off the pundit apologists, who now stand naked and exposed atop their piles of selectively chosen factoids and statistics. (And therein lies the danger of laundering “tips” fed to you by “anonymous sources” who keep their hands clean while you affix your name — you ultimately have to own it.)

But the bottom line is that the health care bill that the White House drafted, the one they pushed through the Senate, the only one they ever wanted, is dead. There is not enough graft and payola in the world to get the Blue Dogs to line up for Martha Coakley duty. The only thing that MIGHT get their support is the cover of GOP votes, but there’s a lot more political hay to be made in GOP-leaning districts by opposing the wildly unpopular White House bill. Americans still want health care reform. They just don’t trust this bill, for good reason — and they’re not going to.

And what’s more, everyone knows it. Ezra says the White House is sticking to its guns, and a public option won’t be in the bill that they unveil on Monday. And that’s because there is no “Plan B.” There never was. Nobody thought it through. The administration is now consumed with the “blame game,” pointing fingers and fighting over who will walk the plank for the failure of “health insurance reform.”

Health care reform can still be achieved, but it’s going to have to be in a series of smaller steps that don’t involve sacrificing cost control to well-funded corporate lobbies trying to bribe their way into profitability. But it will be a while until everyone comes to grips with that fact.

In the mean time, as someone who watched health care reform step-by-step along the way, this is Rahm’s fuckup. He did this. And Obama deserves his share of the blame because he empowered Rahm. Any attempt to offload responsibility to Axelrod, Gibbs, or Jarrett is a ludicrous exercise in irrational denial.

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Update: Jon Walker adds: “What a strange ‘Democracy’ we live in that an idea is too popular for any to stand against yet it might bring down the whole party and health care reform because many so deeply hate their supporters.”

<snip>

Link: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/02/20/democrats-who-will-rid-us-of-this-meddlesome-public-option/

Mister Walker... you said one hell of a mouthful there...

:shrug:

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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:41 PM
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1. Hamsher is a troll
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:46 PM
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2. Hey... Thanks For Kickin The Thread !!!
:yourock:

:hi:
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:55 PM
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5. Why is she a troll? I've seen other similar comments and I realize some
people don't like her, but I don't know why.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:04 PM
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10. Only she knows why she does what she does.
But I will say that I her business, there is incentive for getting attention.
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vegiegals Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 06:16 PM
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6. Why so?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 06:18 PM
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7. I guess I am one too.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 06:26 PM
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8. Yep... Me Too !!!
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 07:03 AM
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33. .
:toast:
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:34 PM
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19. ..
Why don't you actually spend a moment considering the content of her message instead of immediately disregarding what she said? :shrug:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 12:37 AM
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29. And you're not?
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 08:45 AM
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36. +1 n/t
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:49 PM
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3. The "public option" is a sham, too.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:17 PM
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13. That's my concern about this PO revival.
The "public option" as it came to be manifested in the legislative proposals was so wussied down and devoid of the prerequisites for out-of-the-gate success (like being pre-populated, for starters) that simply putting it back into the legislation and passing it as-is will be a disaster: it's so hobbled that it will not produce the results it needs to produce in order to be successful, and this above all else will paint the entire HCR effort as a failure, regardless of any positive outcomes from the rest of the reforms, because the PO is touted as such a "big deal" by opponents and allies alike. Now... it WOULD be a big deal if they would just craft a PO that would actually WORK, something that really IS more like Medicare for All.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 06:51 AM
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32. Bingo. Alas, it's become a symbol to the progressive tribe.
"PO" is a trigger word for progressive bliss, and the fact that it's an ever-scrawnier pig-in-a-poke concerns almost no one.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 05:55 PM
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4. I suspect behind the scenes Rahm is doing everything in his power to kill the PO.
He would much rather piss off the people than the big health insurance cartel.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:02 PM
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9. Hamsher is persona non grata around here
Cannot believe anything she writes or says anymore. She lost all credibility when she started to attack our President.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:18 PM
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14. Only To The Gleefully Self-Censored...
People don't like to eat Liver/Brussel Sprouts either...

But you know what ?

They're still good for you.

:shrug:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:20 PM
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16. you don't speak for me. Hamsher rocks.
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:31 PM
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17. I love Jane. You don't speak for the majority here.
And you might learn one day that subjecting a President to criticism is part of a democracy. Unwavering adoration strips you of your principles.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:33 PM
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18. Sorry, but credibility
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 07:34 PM by DirkGently
and never criticizing the White House, whoever's in it, have an inverse relationship. I'm glad Hamsher has the integrity to call things according how she sees 'em, them not what "team" she's on. Kinda thought that's what "progressive" meant.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:38 PM
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20. She is only hampering any chance we have at real HCR.
Here constant criticism of our President hurts the process and in turn hurts all Americans.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 08:38 PM
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23. Oh Please... Define REAL Health Care Reform !!!
I'm all ears.

:shrug:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 08:43 PM
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24. BS n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:48 PM
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25. Some people think of it as attacking specific policies n/t
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:21 PM
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27. If you don't like FDL
or Jane Hamsher then don't click on the link to read the OP.
Freedom of speech is Americans discussing/debating the pros & cons of anything we damn well please. We don't need your permission. BTW Obama's not 4 ~ he's a grown man & President ~ he doesn't need mollycoddling.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 05:44 AM
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31. I wasn't aware we had elected Stalin.
Here I thought we still lived in a Democracy. You know, where citizens are free to criticize elected officials and their policy positions.
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 07:11 AM
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34. Ah yes, marching in lockstep.
Bad, bad Jane for "attacking the President".

:silly:
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 08:47 AM
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37. Maybe with some.
Edited on Sun Feb-21-10 08:49 AM by Puglover
Please don't presume to speak for all of DU. Democratic party is a big tent. We don't goosestep. We aren't Repukes.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:03 AM
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38. She's become a "bash the left" talking point to the DLC shills on here
Because she figured out that she could team up with Republicans to hold our government's feet to the fire, just like the corporate bipartisanship that they always advocate when it suits them.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:11 AM
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39. Well at least she is the ONLY person around here that does that..
:shrug:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 01:28 PM
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41. Speak for your sorry ass, not mine.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:07 PM
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11. K&R
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:07 PM
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12. That's why the site is named
Liar Dog Fake
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 08:14 PM
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21. Jeez... What Are You... 12 ???
:wtf:

:banghead:

:shrug:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 08:38 PM
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22. 5 ??? n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 01:35 PM
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42. I'm old enough to recognize
that the quote in her headline is fake. Or maybe you can tell me who said it?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 06:57 PM
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43. I Believe It's A Play On The Phrase...
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" - Oral History

"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" - King Henry II (played by Peter O'Toole) in the movie "Becket" (1964).

:shrug:

Reminder... A PLAY ON THE PHRASE...

To make her point.

You're new to this... aren't you?

:shrug:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 09:48 PM
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44. Jane Hamsher: "I want me and Grover Norquist to be super duper nutty buddies because I'm right-wing"
That was just a play on a phrase too.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:19 PM
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15. k n f'n r
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:17 PM
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26. K&R
Looks like this needs another :kick:
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:50 PM
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28. and another k to the r
Dogs bark, but the caravan passes on.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 12:54 AM
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30. Hamsher jumped the shark when she lied about the generic
drug provisions. She's just gone downhill from there.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 08:36 AM
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35. The author says it's Rahm's fuckup, but I am SURE that Rahm is pleased as punch at what's happened
He will continue to be well rewarded and well regarded in the halls of power for a long time.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:12 AM
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40. Paging Reginald FitzUrse, Hugh de Moreville, William de Tracy, and Richard le Breton ...
please go to the nearest white courtesy phone.
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