War Is Not Lost, Lieberman Says, Unless Democrat Plan Is Followed

I do not know how to say it more plainly: It is al-Qaida that is trying to cause a full-fledged civil war in Iraq. The Majority Leader said he believes U.S. troops will still be able to conduct "targeted counter-terror operations" under his plan. Even if we stop trying to protect civilians in Iraq, in other words, we can still go after the bad guys.

This is precisely why the congressional micromanagement of life-and-death decisions about how, where and when our troops can fight is such a bad idea, especially on a complex and changing battlefield. In sum, you can't have it both ways. You can't withdraw combat troops from Iraq and still fight al-Qaida there. If you believe there is no hope of winning in Iraq, or that the costs of victory there are not worth it, then you should be for complete withdrawal as soon as possible.

Consider the words of Sheikh Abdul Sattar, one of the leading Sunni tribal leaders in Anbar province who is now fighting on our side against al-Qaida. This is what he told the New York Times when asked last month what would happen if U.S. troops withdraw. "In my personal opinion, and in the opinion of most of the wise men of Anbar," he said, "if the American forces leave right now, there will be civil war and the area will fall into total chaos."

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today * and this administration and lie ber man..think they are going to take over the world with their new world order..same thing to me!!..he is no better than the communists who thought they were going to take over the world snd create chaos and death in many regions of the world and be occupiers...

thats how i see it..and that is what i related to as a child, and young adult and an adult..

and now under this administration and the likes of that fucker lie ber man..we are causing chaos , and death and taking over and occupying regions of the world..for a ideology that is totally fucked up!

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said that he would demand accountability from the Bush regime, in regards to the Hurricane Katrina response. But, alas alak, once the maggot was re'elected,' LieberBush abruptly reversed course on the issue.

In order to "win," you have to have two things. You have to have a definition or "win" that is in some way attainable, and you have to have an enemy who can be defined in terms of that definition of win. Bush's idea of win has so far been little more than "don't go home." He has some vague fantasies about creating an American style government in Iraq, but no clear plans. He also has no clear idea who he is fighting. As members of his own cabinet used to say, Al-Qaeda is more a concept than a group. There is no leader to defeat, there are no resources or supply chains to cut off, and there is no finite number of people to kill. Bush is fighting an ideal, and the very fact that he is fighting strengthens that ideal and makes any defeat of it impossible.

Lieberman used to be smart enough to understand simple reality, even when he disliked it. Now he's either so far gone into his own happiness with himself or he's so emotionally bonded to a lost point of view that he can't see outside of the narrow box he's constructed. That, or he's just become so corrupt that he spouts political jargon instead of fact without any concern for the truth anymore.

Sad end to a once proud career. He's thrown away his place in history as a meaningful senator, to become a footnote on the losing side of an atrocity.

was running for VP. It was a pretty swanky backyard. The Secret Service checked us out on the way in.

What I remember most about that evening was a drunken defense contractor from Connecticut telling me how good Joe had been for his industry.

That, really, was all I ever needed to know about him.

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Many Israelis I've talked to think Bush is a total moron and that the Iraq War has made Israel less secure by putting Iran in a better position to acquire nuclear weapons, which would've never happened under Saddam.

Don't assume that Lieberman speaks for anybody but Lieberman.

As you say not to assume that the Israelis want him (which is debatable), don't assume that posters here are able to see that Lieberman is a loyal American. Because he is a Jew and supports the Iraq War (occupation) it should be obvious his allegiance is to Israel over the US.

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Both he and McCain are such big hypocritical assholes.

Quotes
"I support the withdrawal of United States Armed Forces as soon as possible. That does not mean
as soon as order is restored. It does not mean as soon as democracy is flourishing. It does not mean
as soon as we have established a viable nation. As soon as possible means as soon we can get out
without losing any more American lives.?
-- John McCain (R-Liar, Whore, Hypocrite) screaming at Clinton about Haiti, Oct 6, 1994

:grr: I wonder how he would answer that quote of his now, assuming some journalist had the guts to ask him, that is? As if!

KO had a quote from some other repug Congresscritter regarding Somalia, who said much the same thing. I can't remember who it was. :shrug:

Always has been! He plays to the tune of whomever can give him the most. Me, me , me! The nacissitic bastard. He looks a lot like Oswald!

"if the American forces leave right now, there will be civil war and the area will fall into total chaos."

So what's this?

Piece of shit

please get it right.

What was Al Gore thinking in the summer of 2000?

rather than keeping and putting more resources into Afghanistan including real reconstruction efforts - rather than just after Jan 2002 - starting to pull resources and move them to the Gulf to begin preparing (more than a year in advance) for an invasion into Iraq.

Take a bow, Joe. OBL and al qaeda were aided and abetted by YOUR support for the IWR and the war in Iraq in general.

Two years ago, Joe was the hero of many of my fellow Jews. I knew several who donated for his Presidential campaign...and many also supported the Iraq invasion as also serving in Israel's best interests. How the worm as turned. Joe began to lose his luster with how poorly he did in '04 and as many began to question the war, he began to question if you were a Jew. If you didn't support his, how could you be? That offended many and it's been downhill ever since.

The other day, some of these same ex-Lieberman supporters were chatting and I couldn't help but play fly on the wall. The group was engaged in some friendly boooosh bashing when Joe's name came up...and how he's so lock step with this regime that he should just become a Repugnican. The former Lieberman supporters didn't offer a defense...if anything, they piled on...as to how both Lieberman and McCain have made total asses out of themselves about Iraq. His credibility with some of his most loyal supporters have gone...people who I'm certain had they lived in Connecticut a year ago would have voted for him, but sure wouldn't now.

It would totally surprise me if he won either.

He has not voted once in favor of the democratic agenda. They should strip him now.

AFTER our HUGE win. I think we'll be seeing (R) next to his name.

There's NO WAY they are going to put up with his shit when they don't need him anymore....not that he's been any help to the Dem party now, but they MAY need him for something before the election. Ya never know what's going to happen.

I find it amazing that Lieberman was so OUTRAGED over Bill Clinton's BLOW JOB that he had to go on the Senate floor and SAY SO, yet the rat bastard supports LIES TO ILLEGALLY INVADE ANOTHER SOVEREIGN NATION!

That pic is CREEPY! Doesn't Lieberman look like he's having an orgasm looking at the psycho?:puke:

I will celebrate the day when this hateful monster is out of politics. It would have been last election if he had any ethical standards whatsoever.

It can "micromanage" all it wants to, Lie-berman!

Neither should be listened to or even remarked on.