Is anyone else tired of conservatives calling themselves libertarians?

Funny how "libertarians" have really crawled out of the woodwork these last 6 years, don't you think?

Take The InstaPutz.
Go to his page and see if it doesn't look any different than any other right-wing site.

Liberalism and libertarianism have plenty in common; ask Bill Maher or Penn & Teller.
I am beyond tired of cowards on the right hiding behind a misrepresentation of what it is.

...Republicans with the Playboy Channel.

I consider myself libertarian on quite a few things, but I don't hide behind it when a liberal does something I don't agree with.

Sometimes I think these fake Libertarians call themselves that simply to justify their tendency to stray from the neocon/Christian Conservative morals -- they took drugs as kids and enjoyed it; the like porn; they have pre-marital or extra-marital affairs. Bottom line: they don't have the courage of their convictions.

I have little use for them.

they have bought into the NRA hysteria that dems want to take their guns :eyes:

that one burns my ass

I've known true Libertarians, and they are nothing like these rightwing cowards who call themselves Libertarians. These fakers constantly quote Ayn Rand -- as if it were the only book on the subject -- but never, ever stand up and get pissed off about the Bush admin's erosion of personal freedoms. And why? Because they fear the wrath of their neocon allies.

Then they helped to elect Ronald Reagen in 1980.

I ceased to be Libertarian in a hurry.

I have a guy I've been arguing with for years who claims to be a libertarian. I directed him to their website and proved to him that I, a democrat, was a whole lot closer to being a libertarian than he was! Republicans are so disconnected with their leaders that they are scrambling to redefine themselves.

I can't blame them. I would not claim to be anything close to Bush republican.

claims to be a Libertarian but makes a living defending knuckle dragger's like Bush and his blood thirsty Bible thumping troglodyte henchmen--the same people that want to control a womens reproductive organs and tell you what you can and cannot put in your mouth--drug war. Not very Libertarian.

Independent, green party, DLC, Democratic, Progressive, Liberal, anarchist, secularist, etc. Neocons, Religious right conservatives, conservatives, libertatarians are also diverse. How many conservatives are angry at this administration for expanding government and the national debt?

Libertarians aren't closer to conservatives than they are to liberals.

They share the same root word (liber-, meaning "free"), for Christ's sake.

Not you, not by any means, but there are Republicans who claim they are "libertarians" so they can claim neutrality on Bush while they pimp him. Like Neil Boortz.

Not impugning (L)libertarians, just Republican posers.

(Wasn't sure whether to use a capital L or not. Didn't want to insult the Libertarian Party, but I also wanted to include those who are libertarian without belonging to the official party.)

that some conservatives are tired of the stench in the gop and identify with the libbies rather than bash the repugs. I got into a flame war recently on another board when, this libertarian thought I unfairly lumped the neocons with the rest of conservatives, as if it was a personal attack. Seems to me he's just another example of a goper hiding behind the libertarian label.

and would reduce the size of the military to that required to defend US territories.

I'm tired of Republicans calling themselves Conservatives!

That is all.

conservative=Libertarian=libertarian. That's how they come in under the radar.

The difference between a true civil rights libertarian and a right-wing libertarian is in the way they view property rights and gun control.

:puke:

For them, government should not tax the rich, or regulate the
powerful. Government that keeps the masses in line is perfectly
okay with them. That is anything but liberal.

Right libertarianism is all the freedom you can afford to buy.
See the Cheney Mob, especially Mary Cheney, for an example.

they are generally further to the right on economic issues. I might agree with them on some social issues, particularly victimless crimes and the war on marijuana users, but their other positions on the economy and poverty are as disgusting as any robber barons.

The are two kinds of "libertarians", just as there are two kinds of "liberals".

Social libertarians, and social liberals, favour little restriction on personal liberty (e.g. support reproductive choice, same-sex marriage).

Economic libertarians, and economic liberals (in the true sense), favour little restriction on the marketplace (e.g. oppose minimum wages, anti-discrimination laws).

"Right-wing libertarian" is how the social/economic libertarians might be best described. Myself, I favour "loonytarian".

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

It avoids all the USAmerican confusion about "liberalism" and addresses political orientation on both axes of the compass -- both personal liberty and economic liberty. I'm a left-wing libertarian, myself: individualist on personal issues and "social" issues that are matters of personal concern, collectivist on economic issues and other public policy issues that are of genuinely public concern.

(By the way, "conservative" as it is used in the US is just as confused as the US usage of "liberal". "Right" and "left", in the rest of the world, more commonly describe people who are socially/economically libertarian/left and socially/economically authoritarian right, respectively.)

Today, I am:
Economic Left/Right: -7.38 (left)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44 (libertarian)

if it means that they aren't voting GOP but rather Libertarian Party in '08. Seems to me we should encourage such actions.

That want to smoke pot.

1)they can now say that even though they voted for shrub twice they are not responsibile for anything that shrub and the republican party has done.

2)Libertarian to these republicans means that they can steal more of your things and not have any social responsibilty.

Smoking dope or not smoking dope never enters into their nasty little minds, it's all about personal greed and preventing others from obtaining a living. One such so called libertarian said that there were no poor in america because no one was starving to death and everyone had a home if they really wanted one. Unlike the poor in Aisa or Mexico.

He said it was worth $15 amonth just to be able to PROVE he didn't associate with either main party.

I have 2 Libertarian friends, and I've noticed that both of them are against welfare because they've known someone who was taking advantage of the system. I argued that although there are some people who are taking advantage that we should purge from the system, there are many, many more who legitimately need the services through no fault of their own. They believe that poor people are poor because they're just too lazy to work. I've also argued that "bad things happen to good people".

Lord knows there are tons of other wastes in the government which take up much, much money (the Iraq war, corporate welfare, etc. etc.). But welfare is always the first thing they point to.

Welfare complaints, like anit-immigrationists, are a lot more likely to have their roots in racism.

fraud,then why didn't they report said persons,

Hayek was appalled at the privileges and entitlements established under the guise of corporatism. Wealth is afforded no political privilege under a libertarian ideology. Today's "libertarians" are merely advocates of modern feudalism - small government and large fiefdoms.

I've been calling these right-wing self-professed "libertarians" Fibbertarians. While these self-described "libertarians" may make noises about "small gummint" and "getting the gummint off your back," they always seem willing and eager to join in with every Religious Right initiative, whether it's censoring the internet, outlawing abortions, or enacting so-called "sodomy" laws to "protect" the "traditional" family.

NONE OF THE CURRENT REPUBLICANS ARE 'CONSERVATIVE'!!!

They are fascists.

We really need to post definitions to go with these discussions. Not ONE of the current policies of this administration have ANYTHING to do with 'conservatism'...NOT A SINGLE ONE>

Rush Limbaugh has misused that term so many times and made a noble trademark of that term amongst many voters, and yet the policies that his cabal support are nothing more than corporate/governmental socialism for the benefit of the wealthy with a big dose of militaristic adventurism

Although a sincere libertarian should be very uncomfortable with the GOP on cultural issues.