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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:15 PM
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Doing the Dead Cat Bounce
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Doing the Dead Cat Bounce

by Robert Kiyosaki
Friday, February 12, 2010


Dow 5,000 in 2010?

In my last column I predicted a “dead cat bounce” in the stock market and a possible Dow plunge to 5,000 this year. Obviously, many readers mocked my prediction.

But understanding the dead cat bounce is vital, especially in today's market.

Simply put, a dead cat bounce looks like Diagram 1 below: http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/108837/dead-cat


The market crashes, rebounds, and runs out of steam, then crashes again…unfortunately, and possibly, to a lower low.

When professional investors observe a dead cat forming, many will begin to sell. If their selling leads to a panic, the stock market goes even lower.

Putting today’s numbers to the dead cat diagram gives this topic more meaning.

In 2002, the Dow hit a low of 7,286. .........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/108837/dead-cat




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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:19 PM
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1. Yahoo Finance??? LOL. n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:23 PM
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2. Excellent - until he starts pushing gold
Gold is always a foolish investment...if things get as bad as the doom prophets are saying then even gold won't save you. What will there be to buy with it after all?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:25 PM
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5. I bet he's heavily invested in gold
and wants to sell out.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 04:01 PM
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11. Exactly, better off buying cabbage and making saurekraut....
It lasts forever. You can trade it and eat it. :)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 07:28 PM
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14. I always joke that the Gold-Fetishists will only see an ROI during a Zombie Invasion
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 07:28 PM by Taverner
And even then, where do you spend you gold during a Zombie Invasion?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:20 AM
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21. I know...
I have a few friends that are into the whole gold BS, I tell them, if everything collapses, what are you going to eat? Gold?

Gold will be worthless when people are hungry.

Great stories from the Weimar Republic of people "selling" solid gold candle holders for a loaf of bread.

All commerce is relative.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:24 PM
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3. The Dow bottomed out in 2002 as a result of 9/11
It bottomed again in 2008/early 2009 as a result of a meltdown in the financial sector.

I've also predicted a new bottom, mostly because the market is so overvalued right now when you look at historical P/E ratios. My dad invested only in companies with tight ratios, something I've continued, meaning the losses in paper value might not be as great as, say, something with a truly insane 300:1 ratio, common among a lot of tech stocks.

That 10,000 Dow is the aberration. My own best guess is that a rationally priced market would bring a 7,000 Dow but that it will likely drop far below that before it stabilizes.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:41 PM
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6. Interesting - do you see the market ever forcing those old P/E ratios?
And by force I mean those who don't have those kind of ratios will not sell, and thus go bankrupt?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:46 PM
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7. I have no idea what lines mob psychology will follow
and that's basically what drives the market once the big boys start to move their money around. I do see more direct manipulation in commodities and bond markets than I do in the stock market, though.

I just don't trust a market that is this overvalued. That's why my guess is that it will have at least one more dizzying drop before it stabilizes.
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skippy911sc Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:17 PM
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9. I think the manipulation
in the stock markets would come from the etf sector. Watch the end of day volume on an hourly chart and you can see all the funds re-adjusting their portfolios (a huge spike in Vol). We may very well see a dead cat bounce, but 5000 on the dow, I don't see that happening. However with the feds program to discontinue buying of mortgages ready to happen in march we may see a double bottom correction. 9600-9700 on the dow... and gold is really high right now along with many other commodities so a correction in that market may signal a boost in the equities.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:00 PM
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8. Difficult because of the legal requirements to constantly inject a significant
sum into the stock/bond markets through "retirement instruments". Most people's options are very limited because their employers control what is offered, and even fewer are aware of what options do exist.


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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:25 PM
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4. His recent charting is fucked up.
In reality, it doesn't match up to his dead cat bounce example.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:33 PM
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10. Robert Kiyosaki is a scam artist...
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 02:33 PM by Ozymanithrax
I wouldn't take his advise, or the silly advice of his rich and poor dad.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 04:56 PM
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12. Yes and yes but...
Taken with a salt shaker or two, there is some good analysis here

It's his premise ("GOLD!! GOLD!!! BUY GOLD!!!!") that's fraked up
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 05:34 PM
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13. He's another untethered gloom and doomer.
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 05:38 PM by TexasObserver
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:29 PM
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18. The fail pushers absolutely revile in wishing for the worse.
They want everyone to be as miserable as they are.
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NoFace Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 07:39 PM
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15. This thread title is a slap in the face for those of us working for animal rights.
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 07:39 PM by NoFace
Honestly. Have you no respect?
:(

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 07:41 PM
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16. Es serioso? You need a life.
Chill. ..... And I was just posting the title that was on the piece.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:27 PM
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17. Good luck with that. I'm guessing you missed out on the rally?
:rofl:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:33 PM
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19. Who? The author of the article?
People here seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between the poster and the author.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:38 PM
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20. Aren't dead cat bounces usually shorter term phenomenon?
Dow will drop 500 one day. Rise 300 the next. Then drop back to the 300 the following day and remain around there over the next few weeks or so.
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