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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:27 PM
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"The Democratic Party's Deceitful Game" By Glenn Greenwald
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 09:28 PM by rainy
The Democratic Party's deceitful game
BY GLENN GREENWALD
(updated below)

link: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats/index.html

Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how it's played:

Politics Daily, October 4, 2009:

Jay Rockefeller on the Public Option: "I Will Not Relent"

Jay Rockefeller has waited a long time for this moment. . . . He's [] a longtime advocate of health care for children and the poor -- and, as Congress moves toward its moment of truth on health care, perhaps the most earnest, dogged Senate champion of a nationwide public health insurance plan to compete with private insurance companies.

"I will not relent on that. That's the only way to go," Rockefeller told me in an interview. "There's got to be a safe harbor."

President Obama often says a public option is needed to drive down costs and keep insurance companies honest. To Rockefeller, it's both more basic and more vital: The federal government is the only institution people can count on in times of need.

The Huffington Post, yesterday:

Rockefeller Not Inclined To Support Reconciliation For The Public Plan

Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) threw a wrench into Democratic efforts to get a public option passed through reconciliation, saying that he thought the maneuver was overly partisan and that he was inclined to oppose it. . .

"I don't think the timing of it is very good," the West Virginia Democrat said on Monday. "I'm probably not going to vote for that" . . .



Well OP here and I think this says it all. Too many, not all, Democrats have someone else's best interest at heart than our own.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:28 PM
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1. I was wondering when Lord High Douchenozzle Greenwald would chime in
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 09:28 PM by WeDidIt
I suspect Lord Privy Douchenozzle Sirota will weigh in soon.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:29 PM
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2. Does he have a bad reputation?
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:31 PM
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4. No. He is EXCELLENT

and I highly recommend this article. Greenwald is one of the best real political writer around. Thanks for posting this!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:34 PM
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6. He's a fucked in the head HACK!
Rockefeller has taken this position in deference to the Senior Senator from West Virginia, Robert Byrd.

Robert Byrd does not, will not, and CANNOT, support using the Byrd Rule to pass the public option.

Rockefeller is the Junior Senator from West Virginia.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:46 PM
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:58 PM
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30. if you're referring to the poster vis a vis GG, then, yes.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:30 PM
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3. Why would Jay Rockerfeller not support the Public Option now after being so for it?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:33 PM
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5. It's not that he doesn't support the public option
It's that he doesn't support using reconciliation for the public option.

You'll find that Robert Byrd has the same opinion, and it's the Byrd Rule that would be used in the reconciliation under the proposed methodology for getting the public option.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:31 PM
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17. Then why didn't Rockefeller say that?
Instead, Jay says it's "not the right time." When would the right time for health care reform be, then? And if it's the right time, but Jay is just a Byrd clone, why doesn't Rockefeller say so? What's this "not the right time" nonsense if his real reason is that he can't make up his own mind, but has to do whatever Byrd says he should do?

But Greenwald's the hack. Got it.
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Happy Friend Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:32 PM
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18. Yeah
If it got passed using reconciliation it would set the dangerous precedent that any bill can become a law provided that it has the support of the House, the Senate, and the President.

That could lead to anarchy.

Do the mods frown on sarcasm here?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:47 PM
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8. He's a full-of-shit leftbagger. He's a damn joke.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:10 PM
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12. WTH is a leftbagger?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:16 PM
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13. Another way of saying the democratic party should have
a right wing orientation. By the way, I rec'd your post earlier.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:17 PM
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14. Thanks!!! nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:36 PM
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28. I trust he has my best interests at heart more than Obama
and what that tells you is this campaign to smear those who are telling the truth will FAIL.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:21 PM
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15. lets see who are now on the Obama shit list and relegated to a spot under the bus..add to the list
If you care to..

lets see ..Now it is

Glen Greenwald

Marcy Wheeler

Jane Hamsher

Helen Thomas

Huffington Post

David Sirota


care to tell Us what you write WEDIDIT..so we can all judge your journalistic abilities??????

or do you get $$ to give your opinions? as say a pundit of some sort??

Or do you just blow hard ( bubbles) anywhere the wind blows?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:25 PM
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26. Where's Paul Krugman this week?
Is he on the "worthless hack whom we've always regarded as less than nothing" list?
Or the "respected scholar and insightful analyst we've always admired" list?

Seems like he gets whipsawed around more than most.

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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:38 PM
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19. Are you kidding?
We wised up to the "we want to but we don't have 60 votes" canard a long time ago. Greenwald is correct to point out this political theater and describes perfectly how the script has changed now that reconciliation is being considered.

The "health care reform" fiasco was revealed as "the private insurance industry profit enhancement act" in its early stages, not long after Obama took his "vacation." You may remember that, at the time, the momentum was enormous in the direction of real progress. So, in order to slow things down, Obama scurries out of town, congress goes home for the summer, and The RW Wurlitzer creates this potemkin army of "teabaggers" tailor-made for the media circus.

The only thing that will come out of this, even with reconciliation, is forced payment to insurance CEO's who will dutifully launder back as bribes to politicians, a portion of their enhanced profit. I mean, you did read the details of obama's "plan," didn't you? It's a joke.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:03 PM
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23. Ah, you dislike this? It must be worth a rec.
:kick: & R

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:59 PM
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31. ain't that the truth!!!!!
:evilgrin:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:51 PM
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9. Greenwald's right.
Contrary to what is said on this thread he has an excellent reputation for seeing the truth and stating it. He's appeared multiple times on Moyer's Journal. I'll be waiting with unbated breath for a "Moyer's is a Hack thread". If the links work you can see Greenwald for yourself.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10302009/profile3.html
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/10/web_exclusive_glenn_greenwald.html
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12122008/profile.html
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:55 PM
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10. Thank you for the links

Moyers is among the best and well respected throughout the progressive community, as are Greenwald and Sirota.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:09 PM
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11. Thanks for the links. Greenwald's point seems valid since it is the people's
wishes they are suppose to be fighting for. If the dems can't get the republicans to vote for any part of the bill even though they have caved in so far to the right that it might as well be a republican bill then they need to pass it the only way left to pass it.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:28 PM
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16. ahhh yes feel free to add Moyer to my list in thread above..
it is getting truely pathetic how hard the propagandists are working to try to discredit democrats or real hard working journalists tHAT TELL THE TRUTH.


Seems the Obama club does not like anyone to have an educated opinion..only their thwarted opinionS count!!

Or is it a paid Opinion by Rahm's rovers?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:45 PM
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20. Greenwald: The primary tactic in the Democrats' game is 'Villain Rotation'.
There's no hiding from it any longer.


Greenwald fires the cannon:



February 23, 2010


Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how it's played:


.....snip


(Greenwald blows Jello Jay out of the water. And it's merely one pathetic example.)




.....

In other words, Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing (sadly, we just can't do it, because although it has 50 votes in favor, it doesn't have 60). But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process -- which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option -- Rockefeller is suddenly "inclined to oppose it" because he doesn't "think the timing of it is very good" and it's "too partisan." What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldn't pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he "would not relent" in ensuring its enactment.

The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama -- while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary -- finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don't have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there's a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.

This is what the Democratic Party does; it's who they are. They're willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there's no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bush's eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bush's habeas and interrogation abuses ("Gosh, what can we do? We just don't have 60 votes).

The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it's Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it's Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and "breaking with their party" to ensure Michael Mukasey's confirmation as Attorney General; then it's Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it's Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can't blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don't need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.

.....


This is why, although I basically agree with filibuster reform advocates, I am extremely skeptical that it would change much, because Democrats would then just concoct ways to lack 50 votes rather than 60 votes -- just like they did here. Ezra Klein, who is generally quite supportive of the White House perspective, reported last week on something rather amazing: Democratic Senators found themselves in a bind, because they pretended all year to vigorously support the public option but had the 60-vote excuse for not enacting it. But now that Democrats will likely use the 50-vote reconciliation process, how could they (and the White House) possibly justify not including the public option? So what did they do? They pretended in public to "demand" that the public option be included via reconciliation with a letter that many of them signed (and thus placate their base: see, we really are for it!), while conspiring in private with the White House (which expressed "sharp resistance" to the public option) to make sure it wouldn't really happen.

The only thing I wonder about is whether Washington Democrats are baffled about the extreme "enthusiasm gap" between Democratic and Republican voters, which very well could cause them to lose control of Congress this year. By "enthusiasm gap," it is meant that the very people who worked so hard in 2006 and 2008 to ensure that Democrats became empowered are now indifferent -- apathetic -- about whether they keep it. Even as crazed and extremist as the GOP is, is it remotely possible that the Democratic establishment fails to understand not only why this "enthusiasm gap" exists, but also why it's completely justifiable?

.....





Take cover, because this decades-old, carefully cultivated liars' dance is drowning in its own acid.








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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:56 PM
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21. KR for Glenn, as always! Absolutely spot on, as usual.
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 03:00 PM by inna
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:59 PM
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22. Wow, what a surprise, a Rockefeller lying and stabbing "little people" in the back.
:eyes:

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:13 PM
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24. The galling part is that these political gas bags indulge in
such grand self serving language, I will not relent, and then their will vanishes into vapor. They have to be 'Fierce Advocates' and such, they have to swim in that fantasy moment and stroke themselves far in advance of having earned any of it.
That is what galls me even more than the basic lies, the upholstery they apply to their own egos.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:15 PM
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25. K&R ..... It is the politically correct bunch who always screw us.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:33 PM
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27. kick their asses!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:38 PM
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29. KICK
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:22 PM
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32. This sums up rather succinctly what is wrong with the party

This is what the Democratic Party does; it's who they are. They're willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there's no chance that they can pass it.


When he's right, he's right.
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