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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:34 PM
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Vermont Senate votes to close nuke plant in 2012

DAVE GRAM

The Associated Press

MONTPELIER, Vt. - The Vermont Senate has voted to block the state's only nuclear plant from operating after 2012.

Vermont is the only state in the country with a law giving its Legislature a say over a nuclear plant's relicensing. Wednesday's 26-4 vote against a 20-year extension of Vermont Yankee's license marks the first time lawmakers have formally weighed in on the question.

Supporters of the move to close Vermont Yankee say it's getting old and less reliable and that its owner, New Orleans-based Entergy Corp., has not proven itself trustworthy. Backers of keeping it open say Vermont needs the energy from the plant and its good-paying jobs.

The vote may not be the final word. Lawmakers could come back next year , after the November elections , and reverse themselves.

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/business/20100224_ap_vermontsenatevotestoclosenukeplantin2012.html
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:40 PM
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1. 26-4 sounds pretty definitive. nt
Rec'd to cancel the unrec.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:41 PM
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2. anything supported by 90% of the Vt. legislature is probably a good idea
But I wonder if an old, abandoned nuclear power plant is worse than an old, operational nuclear power plant.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:43 PM
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3. well sooner or later they all have to be decommissioned
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:46 PM
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4. Wasn't the decommissioning date extended once already?
Entergy would have done themselves a real favor by being up front and honest. It's the lying that has done them in, not the physical problems at the plant.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:49 PM
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5. Some 75% of vermonts power comes from nuclear plants.
Are they planning on running on coal plants burning in other states?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:50 PM
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6. You shouldn't make up stuff like that. You are off by more than double.
check your facts. don't just post BS.

Vermont gets 34% of its power from Vermont Yankee.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:54 PM
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9. A quick googling found...
72.1% from nukes (I never just said Vermont Yankee) 21.4% from hydroelectric, 6 percent from other renewables, and none from coal. Regardless, where does Vermont plan on making up the difference?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:59 PM
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11. that is incorrect.
I'm absolutely positive your source is wrong, or you're looking at the wrong data. Maybe if you showed me your source I could explain why it's wrong. The fact is it's 34%.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:59 PM
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12. Ah, wiki to the explanation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Yankee_Nuclear_Power_Plant

"It provided Vermont with nearly three-fourths (73%)<1> of its electrical generating capacity<2> prior to the 2006 uprate and meets 35% of the overall energy requirements of the state."

So 73% of the power (prior to 2006) being generated in Vermont came from this plant. That's 35% of what the state needs. (It's importing power from some other state, presumably).
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:04 PM
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13. yeah, you can't just glance at data and assume you know what it's telling you.
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 04:05 PM by garybeck
there's a big difference between power generation capacity, actual power generated, and power used.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:07 PM
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14. So my original point is still valid.
75% of the power that Vermont generates comes from this plant, they're already importing power from other places which burn coal, and now they'll need more.

Seems this is just NIMBYism writ large.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:18 PM
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15. No, again you are wrong.
Vermont does not get any power from "other places which burn coal".

Vermont currently gets near Zero from coal. Vermont will continue to get near zero from coal, regardless of what happens with Vermont Yankee.

Before you continue demonstrating your lack of understanding of this complicated debate you should read some of the studies put out by people who have been studying these issues for decades.

I highly recommend this document as a starting place:

http://www.vpirg.org/download/2009-VPIREF-Repowering-VT.pdf
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:22 PM
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16. Which states does Vermont buy its power from?
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 04:23 PM by HiFructosePronSyrup
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:35 PM
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17. Vermont doesn't "buy power form states."
When Vermont purchases power, the individual utility companies purchase from other suppliers (not states).

To attempt to answer your question, the 2005 breakdown of energy supply in Vermont was as follows:



Not much has changed since then.

I highly recommend you take a deep breath, check out the study I linked to before, and learn a little more about this complicated issue, rather than jumping to conclusions and having a knee-jerk reaction not based on reality.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:59 PM
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10. wrong. vt yankee provides less than 30% of the power in VT
and less than 3% to the New England grid.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:51 PM
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7. Good!
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:52 PM
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8. YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally!
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