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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:31 PM
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Single Payer Advocates Excluded from Health Summit:
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:32 PM by amborin


Single-Payer Advocates, Excluded from Summit, Take to Sidewalk

WASHINGTON - February 24 -

STEFFIE WOOLHANDLER, M.D., M.P.H.
MARGARET FLOWERS, M.D.
QUENTIN YOUNG, M.D.
MARK ALMBERG

Young, national coordinator of Physicians for a National Health Program, an organization of 17,000 doctors who support a single-payer, Medicare-for-All approach to reform, said today: "Regrettably, the president's proposal is built on some of the worst aspects of the Senate bill. For example, the president's proposal would ship hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to the private health insurance industry in the form of subsidies. And to help finance this, it would impose a new tax on health benefits of workers, especially those in high-cost states.

"Its individual mandate would force millions of middle-income uninsured Americans to buy insurers' skimpy products -- insurance policies full of gaps like ever-rising co-pays, deductibles and premiums. Such policies already leave middle-class American families vulnerable to economic hardship and medical bankruptcy in the event of a serious illness like cancer.

"Even so, at least 23 million people would remain uninsured. We know that being uninsured raises your chance of dying by about 40 percent. That translates into about 23,000 unnecessary deaths each year. As physicians, we find this completely unacceptable.

"In short, this proposal is an insurance company bonanza -- not good, evidence-based health reform. The president would do better by abandoning the insurance and drug companies and instead taking up the single-payer approach. By building on and improving the already popular Medicare program, we could put our patients' interests first. Were President Obama to do so, he would meet with strong public support, including from the medical community."

Although the physicians' group requested an invitation to Thursday's summit at Blair House, no reply from the White House has been forthcoming, Young said. The group also noted: "Similarly, requests from Reps. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Anthony Weiner of New York and Peter Welch of Vermont that single-payer advocates be included in the meeting have apparently gone unanswered."

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http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/02/24-9


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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:33 PM
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1. Excluded the first time around too - same ol' same ol'. nt
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 07:09 PM
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28. Excluded and *arrested*
Doctors, Single Payer Activists Arrested
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/05-9

"...It has finally happened right here in the United States. Citizens who believe healthcare is a human right have been arrested and are being processed like criminals through the Southeast District of Columbia police station. Their crime? Asking for single payer healthcare reform - publicly funded, privately delivered healthcare - to be discussed during the Congressional hearings on reform.

Doctors and other single payer activists were handcuffed and went to jail today speaking up for single payer to be at the table in the Senate finance Committee's roundtable discussion on healthcare access and coverage. In stark contrast, Karen Ignagni, head of the industry lobby group American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) was escorted into the room like royalty by staff members of the Senate committee. Clearly, the position of the United States Senate is not with the majority of Americans who support a national, public insurance system..."

It's a bit Orwellian how over and over, half the story is told. Creepy.

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
George Orwell
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_orwell_5.html
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:49 AM
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41. K&R to this thread and to this comment!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:33 PM
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2. Real Fucking Nice
:sarcasm:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:34 PM
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3. Not excluded...
just not invited, like many others who would have wanted in.

Frankly, given the hyperbolic tone and source (CD) of the press release, it's no surprise the invitation was never extended.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:37 PM
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6. Right, I'm sure they'd have been invited had they been more polite. eom
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:43 PM
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13. And they would have surely been more polite if they were invited too.
If this is a policy-making forum (debateable, I know), then the point is to find some measure of common ground that could actually produce meaningful, viable legislation. Obviously, this group would just as soon torpedo the whole enterprise unless they get all they want, which reminds me of some ideologues on the "other side" who wear stupid tea bags on their hats.

Single payer is a non-starter. Rightly or wrongly, it always has been. Anyone advocating that now is not serious about getting anything accomplished...for health care...for the next generation.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:49 PM
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20. Single payer is not a non-starter
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:54 PM by mvd
If we don't keep advocating for what is the best solution IMO, we have given up the fight already. Obama should have listened to all sides throughout. I think everyone knows anyway that nothing big will be accomplished in this summit, but a televised forum with ALL sides before this would have been nice.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:07 PM
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31. "single payer is a non-starter" only if dems don't fight for it, it is n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:39 PM
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33. It's only a non-starter to those owned by the insurance companies...
...which seems to include Republicans, many Democrats - and the White House.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:38 PM
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Those mental gymnastics would be comical if the reality weren't so tragic.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:39 PM
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9. yes, excluded; no way to semantically wriggle out of this one; and Obama had promised during his
prez campaign, when he campaigned on the public option, that all relevant parties would be invited to the discussions.....

yet another campaign promise abandoned
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:44 PM
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14. That's funny. Semantics is all we get from the press release in the OP.
Nothing serious...only loaded rhetoric. Boring.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:47 PM
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15. sorry, but this omission is too much to paper over; it highlights, once again, empty promises
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:47 PM by amborin
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:02 AM
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39. more wanking. more than half the population supports single payer, but its reps are excluded from
the discussion.

because they utilize "hyperbole". ohhhhhhhh!

wank, wank, wank.
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jonathon Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:00 AM
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46. Given the fact that they represent the MAJORITY of US Physicians

I think it would be a given that they would have golden inscribed invitations.

Stop defending the indefensible
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:32 AM
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48. How can you defend excluding the only real advocates of reform?
Not to even allow them to speak?

What are you, and president, so afraid of?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:34 PM
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4. What difference does it make? Its all for show anyway
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:41 PM by Oregone
You think this administration doesn't already know about deregulate/tort-reform/sell-across-state-lines/tax-break plan? Do you think they don't understand the benefits of single-payer also? Im sure they aren't complete morons, the lot of em.

Its not like the summit is really about discussing and adopting ANY ideas that aren't already slated to be passed. Maybe theyll throw em a bone for the votes or to look bipartisan. There is a lot to be gained by exposing the Republican's dumbass ideas, but there is nothing to be gained politically from letting the American people know about a superior form of health insurance than what the Democrats are offering.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:36 PM
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5. I hope you're right.
That this "summit" is merely a "show" ... a rationale for the reform that will be passed.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:40 PM
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11. sadly agree! this summit is such a cynical gesture, what an insult to Americans
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:43 PM by amborin
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:02 AM
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42. It's theater and not even very good theater.
And, btw, why do we need "summits"? What the heck kind of democratic governing is that? It's just a show of power. We're being trained to accept that only a few powerful men decide what to do with our money and our lives.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:38 PM
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7. Natch
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:40 PM
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10. If Single Payer was on the summit agenda, the republicans would cry that
we weren't dealing in 'good faith', since they are vehemently opposed. I'm hoping Obama is using this so he can finally say we're going it alone, THEN we can work on it for reconciliation, maybe.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:42 PM
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12. that doesn't wash, however; since when are we allowing rethugs to dictate? how many times does this
administration have to bend over for "bipartisanship," only to be unrewarded?

remember the original stimulus bill?

Obama was so eager to get bipartisan support; he watered it down and included useless tax breaks, et....and not ONE SINGLE rethug voted for it!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:48 PM
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16. Just like last year. Obama doesn't want a public option. How much clearer can it be?
Come talk to me when all of Medicare goes private and we're all screwed. The 40-somethings and younger will be paying health insurance until we kick off. It will be mandated.

OBAMA WANTS MANDATES, NOT MEDICARE FOR ALL.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:53 PM
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22. I don't know if he doesn't want it, but he sure never was..
a fierce advocate for it. He reduced it to something "ideological."
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 07:41 PM
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30. He used it during the campaign. Then it disappeared.
You tell me what happened.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:48 PM
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17. "Reaching out"
Offer only extended for fascists it seems.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:54 PM
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25. Only uses his right hand to 'reach out'. nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:48 PM
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18. I've gotten into so many run-arounds with insurance companies, I'm constantly dizzy!
The latest flap concerns this lab if went to for tests in 2008. Well, my doctor's office sent over the request and listed me as "female." So the tests were done--$750 worth--but my health insurance refused to pay because of the "F" status. Last year I got my doctor's office and the health insurance company on the phone together to straighten this out. I was told it would be corrected. Meanwhile, my account with the lab went to collections and it negatively affected my credit rating.

Well, I still get notices to pay from the collection agency. Here we are two years later and one year after my conference call and I'm still "F" :grr:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:49 PM
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19. Obama "My door is open!!!" (psst - only for corporatists!!!)
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:50 PM by cascadiance
Obama, you've only got a short time before you permanently are relegated to being a one term president, and perhaps with no longer controlling congress either (though it seems like from the way you've acted, that you might actually LIKE it that way, so that you have more excuses to do NOTHING for us!)

It now seems time to look for others like Dean, Sanders, or the like to run in 2012 to be a REAL Democrat, and not a fake one.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:37 PM
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32. He really is full of shit with that rhetoric. nt
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:50 PM
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21. Changelicious!
Hope in one hand and pile of horse excrement in the other.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:53 PM
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23. I'd be surprised (no, AMAZED!) if they were NOT excluded this time.

:(
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:53 PM
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24. Nothing new here, move along. Same as last summer. Tilt the table to the right! nt
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:55 PM
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26. Here we go again...
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:56 PM
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27. Hopetastic! n/t
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 07:13 PM
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29. Big surprise....NOT!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:56 PM
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34. Shocked! Shocked I am!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:27 PM
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35. Unreccers on this - your selfishness is legend. nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:28 PM
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36. k&r n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:40 PM
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37. knr - and Dems need to be honest about who is keeping a national HC
off the table.

As much as we would like to blame the Republicans, we must acknowledge that Our Party has silenced what the majority of citizens want ... a national HC system financed by taxes.

We are constantly told that our party is fighting those nasty corporations who deny people HC and raise premiums year after year.

What we hear from the Dem leaders and what we witness happening are two totally different things.

As long as we play their game of the Republicans obstructing what the Dems really want, we will continue to be at the mercy of the private investors who profit denying care to those in need.

Obama has done this and so did Clinton before him, nothing really has changed.

:(



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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 04:54 AM
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38. This is disgusting.
My husband supports the family with his business. We have a family policy through Anthem. We're one of the ones whose bill is going to go up by 39%.

Some of the proposed "reforms" are useless. While certain regulations may preclude dropping an individual, or denying a pre-existing condition, there's nothing said about denying a claim during a critical period of a family's life or charging a family more than their mortgage each month.

I became so disgusted with the current administration and legislature that I re-registered as a Green; at least, I'm in a party in which I can agree with the platform and the majority of registrants. I am dedicated to securing a single-payer, Medicare-for-all type of program for this nation.

Again, this move makes me want to vomit.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:40 AM
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40. Why ask for a better idea and then stick your fingers in your ears when
someone tries to tell you the better idea?

When single payer backers can contribute more money than health care profiteers can to his reelection campaign, then, and only then, will Obamanuel be all ears, sans fingers. It's as simple and dishonorable as that.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:52 AM
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43. And is the reason the whole health care "debate" is a dishonest
one.
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ebbie15644 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:57 AM
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44. Invited was
Bart Stupack was invited, give me a break!!
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jonathon Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:59 AM
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45. Obama is such a fraud 'Every voice will have a seat at the table'

Corporate sellout in the first degree.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:15 PM
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51. I'll never forget that.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:31 AM
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47. This has to stop. Single-payer will one day be our national system.
Time for the Dems to let it into the room.

What is president afraid of?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:12 PM
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49. Sham, nothing but a sham

The dishonesty is appalling.

k&r
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 04:36 PM
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50. Su-prise, Su-prise!
:sarcasm:
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