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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 01:51 PM Original message |
We do have best health CARE in the world... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm not sure that is a true statement. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I just think it's a good argument.... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. I agree. Well framed and well done. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. There are also people of means in the US who go to other countries for treatments we are holding up |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. And there are plenty of people of modest means who go abroad to save money |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
74. people of TRUE *modest means* cannot afford to go overseas for treatment. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. We send quite a few people to Canada by bus |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. that's far different from *going abroad* n/t |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, we do have quite a few excellent world-class facilities here, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. Im not sure you do |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. We do NOT have the best health care in the world. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. that's mainly because not evryone has access to it. |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. #37 ranking has nothing to do with accessibility. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Whatever. The OP's trying to say that we should grant the point to RWers... |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Bad mistake. Educate the public as to how bad our health care is |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Okay, why don't you start by educating us? How about some good, solid facts besides... |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Since when are WHO statistics "random rankings?" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. lack of preventative care is one part of the lack of access... |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. I just ask them why, if the system is so great, no other countries want to emulate it (and watch |
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SlingBlade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. YEP ! |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Your first argument is the best I've heard |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. well they don't want insurance |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. Insurance controlled health care is what you have now. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. exactly. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. the answer to your second question is not a true reflection of the available healthcare... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. Well, I've heard the RW talking point about our life expectancy explained thus: |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. Why are we ranked 38th in the world? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. because so much of the population has no access to it. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. That's very debatable anymore. n/t |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. i'd still rather have anything done here than abroad. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I'd go to Japan or many European nations, given the choice, over American institutions. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. i wouldn't |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. No one's stopping you, if you have the means to pay. Moi, I'd go elsewhere. nt |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. and no one's stopping you either, if you have the means to pay. |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I can't afford to go to a top quality facility in another country either. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. and you're certainly welcome to your opinion. |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Because our hospitals and clinics are substandard when compared with those in other countries. nt |
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Puzzler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
15. And, apparently Rolls Royce make the best cars in the world... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
17. Sorry, but it just isn't so. We have some of the best doctors and facilities |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
65. So very true. We once were a world leader in science and medicine. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. It's happening right now on every front and we just keep trying to wish it away. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
19. Insurance companies are death panels... |
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Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
22. Actually, I would not mind |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The fact is we could have both if the right people in charge |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
23. No we don't |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
27. For individuals who have the money and the access we have the best health care in the world, |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Exactly. The OP wants to make sure the first clause of that sentence gets heard... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. When most of the people who can actually get in to a doctor only get 10 minutes, it ain't healthcare |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. My entire family had better quality care in developing contries. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. Technology that is not delivered is not health care. n/t |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Correct. That's the perception the OP wants to fight. The RW has convinced people that the... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. There has to be a name for that. That's how they sell people everything, isn't it? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
33. In fact people go to other countries 'for procedures' too. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. That's why other nations score higher on major health outcome measures, huh? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. What was that about the "Democrat" establishment on that other thread? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Here it is... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. "What's up with THAT?" |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
45. it's sort of like saying a restaurant serves the best food in the world |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Exactly the OP's point! Bingo! You got it! |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. It is a valid point |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
46. Do you have research? |
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Alias Dictus Tyrant (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. It is in the top medical journals. Repeatedly. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. i agree |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #53 |
66. How about citing some of those assertions. Med journal citation? It is not superior technology |
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Alias Dictus Tyrant (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Too lazy to Google? |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. He who makes an assertion gets to be the search monkey. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
51. Health care so good that other nations are falling over themselves to have the same system as ours. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. the system is broken, yes; but that doesn't mean there aren't |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. that part I agree on... |
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Ildem09 (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
56. We. Do. Not. I repeat Do. Not Have The Best Health Care. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
60. We DO have the best health care... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. great post! |
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allincompassing (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Healthcare |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. Check the polls as to how many Canadians 'hate' our |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Strange too that so many from down there wait to get their |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
63. I like it! too bad most people will never hear it. |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
71. we have the most expensive health care in the world.... |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
72. unreccers all over today... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'd love to show you Annapolis hospital in Westland, Michigan. |
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