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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:04 PM
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BRILLIANT! For Pennies, a Disposable Toilet That Could Help Grow Crops


By SINDYA N. BHANOO
Published: March 1, 2010

A Swedish entrepreneur is trying to market and sell a biodegradable plastic bag that acts as a single-use toilet for urban slums in the developing world.

Once used, the bag can be knotted and buried, and a layer of urea crystals breaks down the waste into fertilizer, killing off disease-producing pathogens found in feces.

The bag, called the Peepoo, is the brainchild of Anders Wilhelmson, an architect and professor in Stockholm.

“Not only is it sanitary,” said Mr. Wilhelmson, who has patented the bag, “they can reuse this to grow crops.”

more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/science/02bag.html
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:24 PM
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1. Read 'Humanure'
It's available online.

Thermophilic composting is the only way to do this on a large scale, for next to no money.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:26 PM
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2. I prefer the archaic "night-soil"
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 12:28 PM by KittyWampus
:hi:

I am an ancient civilization geek. One topic seldom talked about is how people dispose of waste.

It is insane for a civilized society not to turn its waste into "gold".
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:34 PM
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4. That's right.
I read the account of a guy who rode his bike around the world in remote areas of China the farmers build roadside toilets as ornate and welcoming as possible to encourage travelers to stop and make a deposit.....

Read that book - he's probably the world expert in the field.

And, he fed his entire family for 20 plus years out of his garden, self-fertilized.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:40 PM
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6. The Chinese also cap pig-waste to collect gas and then use solids as fertilizer.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:46 PM
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9. This is a bit different than "night soil".
Night soil, in simpler cultures, is the practice of crapping directly onto your fields as fertilizer. The problem is that the human bowel can contain all sorts of pathogens, including Coliform bacteria, which can infect your crops and spread disease. That's why most nations ban the practice nowadays, and why those that don't have frequent disease outbreaks.

This bag contains a liner designed to kill off those pathogens. If it can be made cheaply enough to be affordable to those in the poorest parts of the world, it could really make a difference. Human waste is a HUGE contributor to waterborne pathogens in parts of the world that can't afford proper wastewater treatment. While it's usefulness as a fertilizer is great, I'd say that its potential to keep untreated human waste OUT of the worlds ecosystems is even more important.
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mudplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:00 PM
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12. This gets to the point. The bag is a good idea because
it makes recycling of human waste easy AND cheap. There are lots of ways to treat it so that it is safe to use as fertilizer (e.g., humanure, which is a great site, btw) but they all take planning, coordination, and at least some labor and materials.

E coli is the least of your worries with recycled human waste. My main fear when I travel/live in undeveloped countries is hepatitis, followed by dysentery and TB.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:50 PM
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10. In 19th century Japan some apartment buildings were constructed that made landlords money 2 ways...
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 12:53 PM by Hekate
... and rent collection was the lesser of the two. The primary value was in the collection of night soil to fertilize the landlords' fields.

I don't know how far back this practice went, but I was fascinated by this ingenuity and how different the attitude was historically from Europe and America. I know all about diseases that can live in the human gut and be spread by fecal contamination -- and it definitely must have lent a certain ripeness to the fields -- but imagine constructing apartment housing so you could have a ready source of fertilizer.

I wish I could remember the name of the book I read it in, but it was a series of reminiscences of an old-time Japanese country doctor that a friend loaned me.

Hekate

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:31 PM
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3. And then, when the developing countries are developed
the government will run a pipe to their house, and a sewer pipe away from it, and charge for water going in, and sewage going out.

Can't afford it? Too bad.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:39 PM
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5. Victor Hugo covered this topic in "Les Miserables"
This is an old, old, old idea. Not the biodegradable bag part, but the part about using human waste as fertilizer. The chapter, as I recall, begins: "Each year, France throws five millions into the sea..."

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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:42 PM
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7. these people can't afford to eat but are going to pay for toilets? I don't think so. n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:44 PM
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8. Brilliant! nt
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:59 PM
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11. Gives new meaning to Porta Potty.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:16 PM
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13. Looks like a project for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:32 PM
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14. I am kind of doing that!
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 01:34 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
In more of an industrialized way, though. :) I just purchased a Biolet composting toilet for my second bathroom downstairs -- it uses no water and produces composte that I can just put in my backyard when it is processed! I am so incredibly excited about this. I think the water waste and treatment needed for regular toilets is obscene, which is why I went this way. I was reading composting toilets is the new wave in Europe and being required for new residential buldings in some areas.

I think this is a fantastic idea this man has come up with!

On edit:

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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:59 PM
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15. How long have you had the biolet?
The last time I looked into composting toilets, based on the user complaints it looked like they were not quite ready for prime time. One reallly common complaint was excess liquid. I'd sure be interested to hear how it goes for you.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 05:03 PM
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17. I just got it ---
I have an electric model that uses a heating element and fan to take care of the liquid issue. There is a completely manual model that had that problem as well as odor issues.

I am installing ti this weekend -- I'll let you know how things go! :hi:
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:44 AM
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18. please do let us know...
I had a friend who had a composting toilet that "had issues" (good ventilation is absolutely critical). I've had positive experiences with buckets and sawdust however. Lived in community for awhile and got to see how several backwoods-type communes dealt with the issue, a couple that made use of the humanure. Not too many people talk about it, and often enough it was just one or two people who coordinated the "shit details". At the time (late '90s) the mechanical options for composting toilets were still somewhat rudimentary... excepting perhaps some very high priced Euro-models.

Good luck!

:)


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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 04:13 PM
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16. Thanks for posting- great idea and very much needed
and could be used in rural areas of our country as well.
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