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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:57 PM
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Tired of debunking Global Cooling Nonsense?
Solar activity does have an affect on Earth. But not to the extent needed to counteract the Climate Change inducing man-made activity here on our abused Planet. Here are a couple sites which do a good job of discussing and debunking Scientifically the "Earth is Cooling" meme:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/10/global-cooling-debunk-belongs-in-politics-sections-of-newspapers.php
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:58 PM
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1. thanks.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:39 AM
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2. K&R
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:50 AM
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3. Nova had a program a few years ago about global dimming
although I don't believe there was any claim that it was countering global warming, but happening simultaneously. Unfortunately it seems not to be available to watch online. Here are some links about it as well as another that talks about the show:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/dimm-nf.html

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/science-environment/46230-global-dimming-nova-program.htmla
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:37 AM
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9. Thanks but last link
...not found.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 12:42 PM
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12. You're right. I got that too, but when I googled again I found it again.
Pretty much it just gave a description of the Nova program:


TV Program Description

"Dimming the Sun" investigates the discovery that the sunlight reaching Earth has been growing dimmer, which may seem surprising given all the international concern over global warming. At first glance, less sunlight might hardly seem to matter when our planet is stewing in greenhouse gases. But the discovery of global dimming has led several scientists to revise their models of the climate and how fast it's changing. According to one recent and highly controversial model, the worst-case warming scenario could be worse than anyone has predicted. "Dimming the Sun" unravels this baffling climate conundrum and the implications for Earth's future.

To find out what global dimming means for the fate of the planet, NOVA reports on the findings of the world's top climate detectives, including an American scientist who found a grim but crucial opportunity immediately following September 11, 2001, when the entire U.S. airline fleet was grounded for three days. This presented a unique opportunity to study the effects of airplane vapor trails on the atmosphere (see The Contrail Effect). Comparing changes in the daily temperature range showed that the absence of dimming from aircraft pollution alone made a marked difference to the temperature. This result hints at how much the effects of atmospheric pollution had been underestimated.

Working in Israel, Dr. Gerald Stanhill was one of the first to discover the surprising fact that less solar energy is reaching the Earth's surface. While his measurements were met with skepticism, a review of worldwide data by Stanhill and a German researcher demonstrated that during the 1980s and early '90s, sunlight reaching Earth's surface had dropped just about everywhere. Halfway around the world, independent studies by Australian scientists confirmed this disturbing diagnosis. (For more, see Discoveries in Global Dimming.)

Scientists have long known that increasing air pollution—the smog that clouds urban skies—endangers our respiratory health. But they had underestimated the impact of pollution on the amount of sunlight reaching Earth. Some scientists now believe that global dimming may also disturb rainfall patterns such as the Asian monsoon. If they are right, global dimming may be one of many factors that contributed to severe droughts and famines in Africa during the 1980s.

The good news is that pollution controls have slowed and possibly even halted global dimming during the last decade. The bad news—and the ironic twist in NOVA's story—is that without pollution, more sunlight is reaching Earth, revealing the full impact of global warming. Although all climate models have important uncertainties, the unsettling implication is that, with dimming fading away in many regions, global temperatures may rise even faster than most models have predicted.
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:56 AM
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4. awsome, where did you get your phd ? Did you right your thesis
on global warming? how much data did you hide and manipulate?
just sayin.....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:10 AM
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 12:47 PM
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13. Do you understand what it means to manipulate data?
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 12:56 PM by izzybeans
Data manipulation is a blanket term for analytic techniques. You could say the same about "hiding" the data under certain circumstances.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:52 PM
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16. Do you use a Computer?
Do you use modern medicine? Do you drive a modern car. Do you use a cell phone. Now we all know those things don't work, right? They couldn't because the Science behind the technology is the same as used in Global Climate studies and man's affect on it.

Now you can use Voodoo, your own personal biases/fantasies, or your buddy Fred, or some outlier Scientist's theories to build your beliefs. But until those produce reliable predictions than they are not useful.

I have a B.S. with some work toward a Masters in Wildlife with an emphasis in environmental Biophysics.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:22 AM
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6. Unfortunately, none of that will convince deniers.
We call them deniers for a reason, they deny the facts in front of them. More facts and more science ain't gonna change their minds.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:47 AM
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11. The problem I have
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 08:50 AM by StClone
Is I hear this stuff so often from so many sources I start to concede some points. Then I realize, "Hey what the! This is B.B." and read and reread what real peer reviewed Climate Scientist and Atmospheric expert have found as they collect, analyze, model and theorize.

Keeps me sane. What kills me is there can not be Global warming but there can be Cooling. How does that work.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:46 AM
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7. Thanks, I'll check it out.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:51 AM
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8. I just tell them that I don't waste time explaining it to toddlers either
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:41 AM
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10. I know my youngest son is. He got in trouble at school (he is a senior)
because a student complained to their parents that he called their son an idiot (because the kid claims global warming is a hoax).
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:08 PM
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14. Localised cooling as a result of global warming is no joke.
Specifically, it is believed that one of the likely results of global warming will be to make the gulf stream reverse direction, meaning that here in the UK we end up a lot colder.

But, obviously, that won't contribute much to the global average temperature. Still, it's one of the reasons I prefer "climate change" to "global warming".
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:09 PM
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15. No. I'm Not Tired Of It
I figure it's good for a laugh along the way. No matter how adamant they are, they're still going to be wrong.
GAC
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