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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:00 PM
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Yeah, blame Nader for 2000.
Blame Nader for Gore being a proud DLC member.

Blame Nader for Gore choosing Lieberman as his running mate.

Blame Nader for being the most genuinely progressive candidate there was.

Blame Nader for Gore trying to "out-Republican" Bush.

Blame Nader for stealing the election through purging of voter rolls and stopping the recount in Florida.


Yeah, blame Nader for all of that.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:01 PM
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1. Duuuuuuuuuuude.
There is not enough popcorn in the universe.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:01 PM
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2. Without Nader, Gore wins. Of course, without Ross Perot, nobody's
ever even heard of Al Gore. Spoilers with no chance do change election outcomes from time to time.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:03 PM
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3. Well, this is timely.
:silly:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:04 PM
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4. Blame Nader for Gore running far away from Clinton.
Blame Nader for Gore voters unintentionally voting for Buchanan in Broward County because of the stupid butterfly ballot.

Blame Nader for Kathrine Harris and 5 rats on the Supreme Court.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:04 PM
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5. If we're still talking about this, does that mean we have another chance to get 2004 right?
Help me out here.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:05 PM
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7. Well, some people are still blaming Nader
He didn't lose the election.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:06 PM
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9. He didn't win the election either.
:hi:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:42 PM
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39. I just wish the Repubs had spent 8 years whining about Perot voters instead of impeaching Clinton
But that's because the Republicans actually want to win. Democrats only want excuses for why they don't win, even when they win.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:04 PM
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6. Fuck Nader
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:06 PM
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8. OK. WIll do. n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:07 PM
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10. If Ralph would work for a progressive 3rd party in the off season
I'd respect him. He likes to be photographed.

Shame, he had a really great career before the Presidential runs.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:09 PM
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15. I actually agree with this
But, he was not the reason Gore "lost."
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:11 PM
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17. No Al Gore won by a slim margin
but it was close enough to steal. He ran a shitty campaign.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:16 PM
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22. Right, Gore "lost."
Quotation marks, man.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:07 PM
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11. I didn't vote - I helped elect Bush; if you voted for Nader you also helped elect Bush
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:07 PM
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12. Nader is DU's own Emmanuel Goldstein. A handy scapegoat for the Democrat's failures.
At once disparaged as both irrelevant and powerful.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:07 PM
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13. Popcorn?
Nah, buh-bye.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:09 PM
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14. Fuck Nader
and fuck his apologists...
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:10 PM
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16. LOL. You're calling me an apologist?
That's rich.

Did you support Gore?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:33 PM
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:39 PM
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32. I wouldn't say it was quite 95%...
A reluctant majority, only based on the "lesser of two evils" theory at best...
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:13 PM
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18. I only blame Nader for being a self important windbag that only shows up every 4 years.
and does nothing in between.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:13 PM
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19. Nader is the reason Gore lost his own state
:sarcasm:
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:15 PM
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20. Indeed. All those far-left liberals in TN could have come in mighty hand for Gore
nt
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:18 PM
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24. gore's stupid/unconstitutional postition on gun control did that
i am certain that if gore took the constitutionally correct position on gun control, he would have won EASILY
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 08:11 AM
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48. I don't know enough about that state
But I think it's absolutely ridiculous to blame Nader for the loss when Gore didn't even carry his home state.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:53 AM
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49. yes, and imo gore would have won his home state
IF he wasn't so pro gun control.

i think the polling back then supported that proposition pretty well

i don't blame nader for ANYTHING because nader only had one vote. if ANYbody is to blame, it would be nader voters, not nader
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:16 PM
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21. nader only had one vote
blame his VOTERS
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:18 PM
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23. Blame Nader for Tipper Gore and the PMRC
Edited on Mon Mar-08-10 09:18 PM by Starry Messenger
That fundie shit in the 80's lost Gore two votes in this household. Trying to out-Reagen Reagen is no way to turn out the youth vote.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:23 PM
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25. No - I just blame Nader for "Selling Out"
that and he is a piece of shit
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:27 PM
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26. Paging LocoZollo! Paging LocoZollo! Come in LocoZollo!
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:29 PM
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27. Nader has spent....
....his entire life advancing the anti-corporate progressive cause....he's done more in one month than most Nader-haters have done in a lifetime....we all have sinned....we need to forgive and forget....

....we need to give Ralph a rest....
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:37 PM
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30. Nader using terms like "Uncle Tom" to describe Obama doesn't help his case.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:31 PM
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28. None of the above. I blame NADIR for being a total a-hole Rethug TOOL!1 n/t
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:38 PM
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31. Nader has his own agenda and he knew exactly what he was doing
He's nothing but a right-wing poser, he runs to siphon votes from Democrats, he know he'd never win. Forget ideological purity, the choice between Bush and Gore was clear, it was clear that Bush was all wrong to be President. If Nader was so progressive, he wouldn't have divided the vote and given Bush a clear path to the White House.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:10 AM
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42. That's a bit presumptuous. Since when are Democrats entitled to votes rather than having
to earn them? If Nader got votes that Gore was expecting then Gore should have done more to earn them. The voters are entitled to vote for whoever the hell they want.

And more Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader but I don't see you bashing those voters.

What a heaping load of bullshit this blame Nader fuckery is.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:37 AM
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46. Never said anything about entitlement
The fact is, Nader runs, but all he ever does is serve as a spoiler, I find his intent questionable.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 09:56 PM
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33. More silly Nader apologia ....
I love Ralph Nader, and always will ...

But we live in a REAL world, and there is no way he could have done anything but hurt the Democrats ....

He could have backed out; He SHOULD have backed out of Florida, and he didn't ....

He succeeded in taking Gore out ....

Fuck the 2000 Nader, but he is still a great man for the good he HAS done ....

Now - DUers who stir the pot of rancors past ? .... hmmmmm ... what shall we say of them ?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:13 PM
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34. Nader did what he did and it got us George Bush. Then he went out and did it again.
What does he think we are? Stupid?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:29 PM
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SimonPhoenix Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:31 PM
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36. How about I blame him for being a racist prick?
Edited on Mon Mar-08-10 11:32 PM by SimonPhoenix
Ralph knows who butters his bread, and it's not African-Americans. He therefore had no qualms about referring to President Obama as an "Uncle Tom" on election night. Easy Lebanesey-oops, did cross the line, Ralph? Hatred of blacks isn't exactly rare in Arab countries and it's not rare among Arabs.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:33 PM
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37. Nader was ok with Roe v Wade being overturned so he was not progressive
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:34 PM
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38. Nader sees no difference with Alito, Roberts , and Sotomayor
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:43 PM
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40. I will. And I do.
And nothing you can say will EVER change the facts. EVER.
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followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:07 AM
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41. 300,000 Dumb Ass registered Democrats voted for Bush ...
in Florida in 2000. And looking at DU these days I see a lot of right wing Democrats that could easily pass as Republicans and vote that way.

300,000 dumb ass Democrats easily swamps out the couple of hundred difference that cost Gore the 2000 election.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:11 AM
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43. Funny how the left leaning Democrats get shit for not going with the party line
but the right winged ones get a pass every time.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:13 AM
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44. I guarantee you that any democrat who proudly says they voted Bush and aren't sorry on DU
will get flamed to all hell.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:19 AM
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45. the ones who get shit are the ones who claim to be liberal yet claim there is no difference
between Gore and Bush.

the right wing ones aren't getting a pass. they are just not considered part of our side since they are fuckign right wing.

but how can anyone who claims to be liberal lie and fucking say there is no difference between ginsberg, breyer, sotomayor and Alito, Roberts.

more stupid from the fake liberals.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:41 AM
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47. YAwwwwwwwwwwwn.....
I liked HOUSE tonight, that young woman from 'That '70's show' was on.

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