PRIMARY KUCINICH!!

It might just be on because of his stance WITH THE REPUBLICANS on Healthcare.

Markos Moulitsas was just talking about Kucinich on Countdown and said it was perfectly legitimate to do so over Healthcare.

I, for one, would donate if an appropriately progressive primary challenger were to emerge?

on premium increases and an individual mandate with a PO that would enroll only a small percentage of people.

You should listen to what he says sometimes.

Saving the mods the trouble.

That's the way to unite the democratic party. :sarcasm:

Secondly, how will DK's stance help me? I mean REALLY help me (words are not of benefit to me so I need something tangible)?

He's taking the outlying far left position, not the far right position.

Shocking, infuriating, and irritating as he is, we NEED someone taking the far left position or there won't be one. And Kucinich's far left is nothing compared to what left used to be. But it's nearly all we've got.

With respect, we don't have a "far left" legislator in our Congress.

Both Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders would qualify as "liberal democrats" not "far leftists."

Sad thing is that our nation has moved so far to the right we consider LIBERAL democrats as LEFTISTS.

That's just plain wrong.

Left ain't what it was but this is all we've got? Remember that part?

:-)

Count me out.

If you don't challenge the DLC and conservodems how are things going to change?

But Primarying a Progressive Dem who fights for the people is perfectly ok

And Fuck Mr. Moulitsas... Kucinich is an enemy because he is a 'man of the people' and not a 'man of the corporation'.

That is why he gets attacked so much here and everywhere else.

Not that I have anything against a fellow American seeing "the light" and turning democratic. Just MAYBE he's slipping back to his old ways?

Republican Ideas Included in the President's Proposal

All Hail, bipartisanship.

Bipartisanship is only a problem when done in the name of helping out the little guy.

That's the double standard that this crowd consistently operates under.

He is on the other side of the spectrum.

So great, let's get rid of the true progressives and keep the govt moving way to the right when the people are on the left. Brilliant.

What is wrong with some people? I cursed Markos when he said that. That's just idiotic. It's the exact opposite of what we need. It's not Kucinich's fault this bill is a gift tot he insurance companies and falls far short of what we need. That's someone else's fault.

He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

Unlike some people who should have been doing that and being as outspoken as Kucinich from the beginning instead of letting the Rethugs define the "debate".

You want to drive out one of the only consistent voices that fight for the PEOPLE. That won't sell out. That won't move to the right to cut a deal. That's just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Frankly it's stupid and short-sighted and will put the final nail in the coffin of this country. Don't you think our govt has moved to the right enough already???

How much are you donating to his primary opponent?

to unseat the fuck.

He's no better for the Dems than Ben Nelson.

Not everyone is in the Democratic party because Barack Obama is "LIEK TOTALLY AWESOME!" Some people are in it because they have actual ideals.

or another comes along and tries to primary DK regularly, gets his ass handed to him and slithers home. Anyone remember any of their names? Me either.

Because the Democratic party isn't right leaning enough as it is. Let's go whole hog!

and save the mods more trouble

:rofl:

Can we have an end to this, please. Kucinich is elected by his constituents. They're the only ones who have any say in the matter.

I don't like his position on the current HCR bill, but he doesn't live in my state. It's up to the people of his state to say how they feel.

We've belabored this issue more than adequately, I think. Let his constituents decide.

so it;s quite possible a primary challeger could end up better funded than Kucinich.

of duking it out over one representative in Congress? He's just one. If we can't pass the HCR bill because this one idealist won't vote for it, then we're indeed screwed.

Better read up on the rules, bud.

Kucinich DESERVES a primary challenge.

And I don't really care whether this fits the "rules" or not. It's doing nothing but fanning the flames of the fire that's already burning to hot on DU.

You want to primary Kucinich? Move to his state and do it there.

It's a free country and I am free to support ANY candidate at ANY level.

So does any elected federal legislator who votes to pass a law that would create a precedent that the federal government can force you to buy a service from a private business and ditto for any executive authority that does the same.


I for one wouldn't mind seeing Kucinich be that primary challenger in 2012.

it will be a big waste of time and money. If you had paid some attention to the polls on DU you would know that DK is liked more than disliked here.

It's your money to flush away.

nuttery.

he speaks for more Americans than anyone in the Obama administration.

Isn't that how we got into this mess over the last 30 years? Where a bunch of Republicans relabeled themselves "centrist" Democrats and hijacked the party?

Voting against a bill that isn't progressive enough isn't voting with Republicans who oppose it because they think it's too progressive.

they offer a shitty healthcare bill, bend over backwards to placate the right wing and when a progressive tells them the bill is shit, they want to get rid of him.

I'd vote for Kucinich over Obama any day, now that I've seen how Obama rolls.

already. He's a congressman. That's the limit of his ability to get elected. Let it go. Kucinich may survive this election. Be happy with that. That's all he gets.

I said, and I stand by this, that he is a BETTER representative for the Democrats than Obama.

Obama makes me sick now. All spin. All rent boy for corporate profits.

He had this nation behind him, willing to create change and he gave it all away for some assholes at Saddleback church... and so on.

that's the choice Obama made. He lost the support of an entire new generation of voters. I guess it's good to be cynical early on, tho, in the late American Empire.

"Voting against a bill that isn't progressive enough isn't voting with Republicans ..."

Here's the gist of what is coming to pass within this corporate right-wing duopoly we call The United States of America:

The coming darkness is the eclipse of American political freedom and the unchecked reign of a venal, arrogant, and ignorant ruling class.

http://www.counterpunch.org/kuzminski08182004.html

"The Coming Darkness"

"Right-Wing Duopoly"

It doesn't leave a lot of hope, does it?

Is that what Progressives are to become--underground keepers of the Enlightenment flame?

So my hording real books made of paper, as opposed to electronic copies of books in Kindles and Nooks that can be remotely deleted, isn't a bad thing, I guess.

Nobody should be surprised, living in a nation where more than half the population doesn't even accept evolution. Some see that as a simple religious perspective, while I see it as a rejection of the Enlightenment. The Democratic Party's abandonment of progressive ideals is another rejection of the Enlightenment.

Jefferson would be ashamed. Of course, a Conservative acquaintance recently told me that she didn't consider Jefferson to be a true Founder, since he wasn't really a Christian.

It all fits into a New Dark Ages Syndrome, doesn't it?

It just doesn't get much stupider. I don't like living in this theocracy. Can we have a real country, now?

as IF you were going to donate to a "progressive."

now you're going to co-opt the tactic being used against your own ilk? I don't think so.

His constituents love him. He knows how to deliver for them.

Escalation of the war.

Firing teachers.

Bailing out the banksters.

Union busting.

Not prosecuting war criminals.

Signing the renewal of the Patriot Act.

Expanding the "defense" budget.

etc, etc, etc, and etc.

I, for one would donate if any progressive challenger would emerge.

:patriot: :thumbsup:

OOPS, ain't gonna happen.

Could happen with Kucinich, though.

I will not vote for another corporatist democrat ... not again ... not ever.

not

and adios to him in the same breath. And if I could afford to donate the max to Dennis and spend three months or more in Ohio working for him I would.

The ever capitulating dem party also stands with the republicans, but what the heck. Way to go Markos.:sarcasm: :woohoo: :woohoo:

ETA: Is Markos also planning primary challenges against Stupak and his gang of 11? Why didn't he mention them first and foremost?

I thought compromising with people who don't share our political goals was the "adult" and "serious" thing to do. Why aren't you urging these sell-outs to compromise with Kucinich and get him on board? Surely they could incorporate some of his ideas.

No...?

destroy American society. Compromise with persons or parties that are trying to fix America and help Americans is strictly off-limits. What are you, a communist?

and challenge Kucinich. The only question would be if DK would get 95% of the vote or would be held to just 90%.

Kucinich is untouchable, in my opinion. I think he is very much representing the interests of his district by holding firm against the current iteration of reform.

He's a loose cannon and does more harm than good.

actually my family wants to invite him to the annual cookout in Lakewood. We never talk politics because no one every agrees on anything, but all agree Kucinich is right about this one.

He often acts like a child maybe need to treat him like one.

...the DLC gets its ass kicked from here to the Moon in 2010 and 2012.

Tesha

Just helping the mods. Keep. Me. From. Exploding.

a pile of shit pass than stand up for a proper bill like SPHC or Medicare for all. I suppose y'all Kucinich haters love the fact that most fucking Dem's voted for the Iraq war and the fucking Patriot act too. Oh geez how terrible that some didn't vote for those too. Yea but now y'all bitching about Dennis taking a stand because of his convictions and not because it's popular and will help him get re-elected. It's called INTEGRITY! ...something that is sorely lacking and it's going to cost us seats and the presidency. Oh but how will we pay for Medicare for all or SPHC? CUT THE FUCKING MILITARY SPENDING ...bring them all home ...close up our foreign bases ...stop feeding the banksters who help no one but themselves ...kick them mutha fucking assholes out of the supreme court for siding with the fucking corporations.
:wtf:

:rant:

he will definitely have my vote! :thumbsup:

edit: typo

Trust me, DK may be many things, but he's not someone who only cares about himself. If he was he would have caved into the pressure to conform and get richly rewarded for doing so - with beltway power and influence, with committee appointments, with endless streams of corporate cache and lobbyists ready to satisfy your every whim....

Like I said, he may be many things, and maybe he's not a good Representative - that's a topic for another time. But he is one of those rare people who is committed to principle even when it makes him wildly unpopular with the mainstream.

How I long for the days when I was one of the most ignorant people on this board.

not

RhamaObamba doesn't care about HCR--he cares about RhamaObamba.

cash backing.

As you go down the list of U.S. Congresscritters, Kucinich is about as progressive as you could ask for.

He turned me into a newt!

He looks like one! er...WeDidIt told me he's one.

but you are willing to overlook Stupak, Nelson and the rest of the conservative dems?

Unrec for stupidity.

I'm always surprised that Kucinich always generates such controversy on du.
HE is a principaled and honorable Man..that scares some people.

Debate on the Cspan, NOW.. fascinatin'!
I called MY rep, I HOPE(!) everyOne will,today..
fYi, info to call Your rep at www.congress.org
& WELCOME to du!:hi:

And Kucinich has no challenger...

He does, however, have a libertarian candidate and three repulicans who are going to battle to face him in November.

If one of them has a message that resonates with voters in his district, then they may win.

Piss off.

Fucking moron.

the health insurance companies.

The OP is flame bait.

Oh, I disagree. This is one of the funniest threads I've read today. I have tears streaming down my face.

Can't you just see this standup act: WeDidIt takes the stage at the Comedy Store, says, "Primary Kucinich." Audience begins lauging and cant' quit. Overnight sensation. I think it's a whole new career direction for him.

no textual message exists in this spot at this time so please stop reading now and you should really startlooking atstuffthatmeansomethngcuzthisdoesn'tmeanathing

You should go lay down for a while, maybe put a cold washcloth on your forehead.

The health care bill is a nightmare and will only further enrich evil insurance companies.

I wish more Democrats stuck to their principles but most Democrats (including the President) are fucking pieces of shit who stand for nothing and lie to get elected.

that he easily won. (Sorry for the Politico link - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/05/politics/politico/thecrypt/main3907881.shtml ) In a field against several challengers he won 50% to 35% for his nearest challenger.

The question now is how popular things he has voted against (or will vote against) are in his district. If there are enough people who are angry enough with him, then he might lose.

2010 would be better anyway, especially if he runs for President again.

Tar and feathers and a rail is too good for any of them.

the fact is, Mr. Kucinich has an outstanding progressive record across the board!!

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2008.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=318

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to National Farmers Union's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 75.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the The Humane Society Legislative Fund 108 percent in 2007-2008. Members of Congress who led as prime sponsors of pro-animal legislation received "extra-credit" equivalent to one vote or one co sponsorship, 17% for a Senator or 8% for a Representative of the House.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 100 percent in 2007-2008

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Arab American Institute's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 100.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Leadership Conference on Civil Rights's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 87.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent in 2007-2008..

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 National Education Association gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Latin America Working Group 75 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Environment America 85 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 85 percent in the First and Second Sessions of Congress in 2007-2008..


2008 In 2008 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Friends Committee on National Legislation 100 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Peace Action West 100 percent in 2008


2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2007-2008..


Agriculture Issues


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Association of Wheat Growers 89 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to National Farmers Union's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 75.


Animal Rights and Wildlife Issues



2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the The Humane Society Legislative Fund 108 percent in 2007-2008. Members of Congress who led as prime sponsors of pro-animal legislation received "extra-credit" equivalent to one vote or one co sponsorship, 17% for a Senator or 8% for a Representative of the House.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100+ percent in both sessions of Congress in 2007-2008.


Campaign Finance and Election Issues


2007 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the League of Women Voters 80 percent in 2007.



Education


2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 National Education Association gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.


Employment and Affirmative Action


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Latin America Working Group 75 percent in 2008.




Energy Issues


2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Alliance to Stop the War on the Poor - Affordable Energy 0 percent in 2007-2008.

Environmental Issues


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Environment America 85 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 85 percent in the First and Second Sessions of Congress in 2007-2008.

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues


2008 In 2008 Armenian National Committee of America gave Representative Kucinich a grade of B+.

2008 In 2008 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Friends Committee on National Legislation 100 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Peace Action West 100 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the ACT! for America 0 percent in 2007-2008 when voting on Issues in the 110th Congressional Session.

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 Council for a Livable World gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 87 percent..

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of +3.



Labor


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2008

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the AFL-CIO - Lifetime 96 percent during their legislative career up until 2008..

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 86 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees - Lifetime 97 percent during their legislative career up until 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Latin America Working Group 75 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2008.


2008 In 2008 United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers rated politicians in selected states. They gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 100.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Utility Workers Union of America 100 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Federally Employed Women's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 80.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the United Food & Commercial Workers 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans - Lifetime 92 percent during their legislative career up until 2008.

. 2007 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the PFLAG, Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays 100 percent in 2007..

2008 In 2008 Drum Major Institute for Public Policy gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A+.

2008 In 2008 NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 83 percent

2007-2008 Based on the votes, committee votes, co-sponsorships and other leadership actions that took place between 2007-2008 the Secular Coalition for America assigned Representative Kucinich a grade of A+. With grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F.

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2006 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 100 percent in 2006.

2008 In 2008 The Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law gave Representative Kucinich a grade of 94 percent..

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Federally Employed Women's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 80.

2007-2008 On the votes used to calculate its ratings, the National Organization for Women attaches more value to those votes it considers more important. For 2007-2008, the National Organization for Women gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 87 percent..


http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=318

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Kucinich will apparently have no primary opponent (I believe the deadline has passed).

Won't matter, anyway, since he trounces them every time the DLC puts up one of their "Proud Corporatist" challengers.

Still, I have enjoyed the thread. Pure comedy gold.

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