Markos: Kucinich is completely Reprehensible; Run a Primary Challenger Against Him.

On Countdown, Markos being interviewed about Kucinich. He said, that the HCR Bill is a good first step.

Markos: "Kucinich doesn't get a pass, I don't care what his excuse it. He's elected, not to run for President which he seems to do every four years, he's not elected to grandstand, and to give us his ideal utopian society, he's elected to represent the people of his district. He's not representing the uninsured constituents of his district by pretending to take the high ground here. He's undermining this reform. He's making common cause with Republicans and that's a perfect reason to run a primary challenger against him."

Not my words. These are the words of one of the most progressive voices on the Internet. I know many here didn't appreciate hearing these words from me earlier on this topic. But maybe you'll listen to Markos.

FUCK YES!

I will be sending money to Dennis, who is the one of the few with any guts.
rev up your dirty smear machine--your insurance welfare bill sucks shit.

constituents.

Never liked Markos.

To VIPs in the party. Looks good for the creds.

or does he accept money from them?

I never could stand anything about him.

That's a tough pill for some people to swallow, but it is objectively true.

Fucker talks the talk but when ti comes time to walk the walk, he's a fucking Republican on all the important votes.

slight :sarcasm: because we can't have it both ways.

today who asked him about it. His amendment to allow states to implement single payer was removed from the bill. That would have gone much further to preventing deaths than this POS legislation. He also reminded Ed that there are ways to get those things done with other legislation so people don't have to die.

whether or not Kucinich is actually harming reform efforts (which he is).

Is Ed Schultz a tool as well?

when Dennis was through, it seems he changed Ed's mind. Ed didn't disagree with him so I think you are doing selective viewing.

From the under thirty five years of age to the over fifty age group.

And it transfers a great deal of wealth from the average American to the Big Insurers, who actually are the parasites killing the 44,000 people a year, not Kucinich!

... that Kos was an idiot, now I know.

who they are. Dennis's principles are the same ones Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and LBJ had. He's not leftie loonie as those two would have you believe. I will be sending Dennis money for his campaign. The last thing we need is another DLC Congressman. I wonder what would be said of Paul Wellstone today if he were alive?

He's an egotistical little prick who votes more with the Republicans than with the Democrats whenever it's an important partisan vote.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2008.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=318

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to National Farmers Union's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 75.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the The Humane Society Legislative Fund 108 percent in 2007-2008. Members of Congress who led as prime sponsors of pro-animal legislation received "extra-credit" equivalent to one vote or one co sponsorship, 17% for a Senator or 8% for a Representative of the House.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 100 percent in 2007-2008

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Arab American Institute's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 100.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Leadership Conference on Civil Rights's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 87.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent in 2007-2008..

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 National Education Association gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Latin America Working Group 75 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Environment America 85 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 85 percent in the First and Second Sessions of Congress in 2007-2008..


2008 In 2008 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Friends Committee on National Legislation 100 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Peace Action West 100 percent in 2008


2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2007-2008..


Agriculture Issues


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the National Association of Wheat Growers 89 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to National Farmers Union's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 75.


Animal Rights and Wildlife Issues



2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the The Humane Society Legislative Fund 108 percent in 2007-2008. Members of Congress who led as prime sponsors of pro-animal legislation received "extra-credit" equivalent to one vote or one co sponsorship, 17% for a Senator or 8% for a Representative of the House.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100+ percent in both sessions of Congress in 2007-2008.


Campaign Finance and Election Issues


2007 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the League of Women Voters 80 percent in 2007.



Education


2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 National Education Association gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.


Employment and Affirmative Action


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Latin America Working Group 75 percent in 2008.




Energy Issues


2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Alliance to Stop the War on the Poor - Affordable Energy 0 percent in 2007-2008.

Environmental Issues


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Environment America 85 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 93 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 85 percent in the First and Second Sessions of Congress in 2007-2008.

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues


2008 In 2008 Armenian National Committee of America gave Representative Kucinich a grade of B+.

2008 In 2008 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Friends Committee on National Legislation 100 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Peace Action West 100 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the ACT! for America 0 percent in 2007-2008 when voting on Issues in the 110th Congressional Session.

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 Council for a Livable World gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 87 percent..

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of +3.



Labor


2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2008

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the AFL-CIO - Lifetime 96 percent during their legislative career up until 2008..

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 86 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees - Lifetime 97 percent during their legislative career up until 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Latin America Working Group 75 percent in 2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2008.


2008 In 2008 United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers rated politicians in selected states. They gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 100.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Utility Workers Union of America 100 percent in 2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Federally Employed Women's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 80.

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the United Food & Commercial Workers 100 percent in 2007-2008.

2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans - Lifetime 92 percent during their legislative career up until 2008.

. 2007 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the PFLAG, Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays 100 percent in 2007..

2008 In 2008 Drum Major Institute for Public Policy gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A+.

2008 In 2008 NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 83 percent

2007-2008 Based on the votes, committee votes, co-sponsorships and other leadership actions that took place between 2007-2008 the Secular Coalition for America assigned Representative Kucinich a grade of A+. With grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F.

2007-2008 In 2007-2008 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Representative Kucinich a grade of A.

2006 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 100 percent in 2006.

2008 In 2008 The Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law gave Representative Kucinich a grade of 94 percent..

2007-2008 Representative Kucinich supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent in 2007-2008.

2007-2008 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Federally Employed Women's position, Representative Kucinich received a rating of 80.

2007-2008 On the votes used to calculate its ratings, the National Organization for Women attaches more value to those votes it considers more important. For 2007-2008, the National Organization for Women gave Representative Kucinich a rating of 87 percent..


http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=318

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You mischaracterize Dennis. He is not an egotistical prick and he is not all about getting his name in the news. Dennis is sincere and many of us share his belief about the HCR bill.

Says the Zombie who won't 'fess up to their prior incarnation here.

Why doesn't America learn this, too?

Those who need affordable comprehensive health care. I saw him on The Ed Show today, and that's exactly what he's working for, refuses to support a bill that favors corporate interests. :patriot:

DK has been my candidate since 2003. :patriot: :hi:

of passing. If he kills the bill, he may as well be signing his uninsured constituent's death certificates.

This is what is called a "poison pill."

After all of this, we won't get back to health care for decades. :-(

Dennis puts people over politics everytime. :patriot:

voted against Medicare because it wasn't free. What good does it do to stand on principle when he knows there aren't the votes to get what he wants? His no vote isn't any different that any Republican a no is a no.

He's doing a lot more than just voting against a bad bill. People tend to forget that. :-(

If the Democrats fail to pass health care reform after working for over a year to get it they will be regarded as complete failures incapable of governing. That could very well guarantee the loss of the house and severely dwindling numbers in the Senate. When this happens, they will again, learn the opposite lesson from what you think DK is teaching them and they won't go near health care again.

They can't change the bill to what DK wants because they cannot get most of the stuff we need in the bill through the Senate using reconciliation. And we are not going to get any help from the Republicans unless the bill is made even worse. DK knows what he is asking for is impossible. The best they can hope for is to pass the Senate bill and fix it later. And that they can do through reconciliation. But if there is no bill to reconcile, they can't fix it. I don't buy the argument that won't be done. They know they have to fix it.

If the Democrats lose too many seats in congress in November we will not be revisiting health care. Probably not for a decade or so. And we will lose seats because that is the nature of politics.

If health care passes, the Dems are in a much stronger position to hang on to the House. DK's position on health care is not going to create a stronger bill. It's too late for that. It's time for him to get what he can and live to fight another day.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is that the bill isn't as good as DK wants it to be. What matters is that it gets passed so at least we have something to build upon. To those who really understand the process, DK looks like a selfish fool. To those who think he still has a chance of a snowball in hell's chance of making a difference he looks like a hero. Unfortunately the only difference he is going to make at this point is to allow things to get much worse. His objection to the bill is that it is a big giveaway to the insurance companies. Unfortunately, allowing insurance companies to continue to go unchecked by voting against this bill is really the biggest giveaway to them.

If you really believe he is taking a stand to get single payer or a public option by not voting for this bill, he has you completely snowed. He knows damn well this will be the end of the chance for any reform for a very long time and he doesn't care. Or if he doesn't know that, he's not a very smart man.

And I do realize that, so DK must, as well. While he may be ignoring the larger picture, I truly believe that he's voting his conscience. I can't fault him for that. My congressman (NY-20), whom I worked very hard to get elected, did the very same thing. :-(

Some of us can up with our conclusions on the matter. Maybe if he holds his guns, we might at least get something like states being able to go single payer. It's worth the risk to me.

Dennis's positions are always clear. It's the fault of those who don't check out his video's that are posted here on DU and his Position Statements on his website that are posted here. They get the "UnRecommend" and are pushed down to Archives. But, he's always clear what his positions are. While those who trash him would seem to have multiple loyalties that conflict with their ability to read or discern positions.

But I like that he's pissin off some people.

Unrec

that Marcos couldn't be in his wildest dreams. I always thought he was strange.

Throwing him under the bus now were cheering him on. I love it how transparent the anti-reform crowd has become here (and no, I didn't throw Markos under the bus when he criticized Obama).

What Kucinich is doing is unforgivable. I don't care if the reasons are pure as the driven snow. I hope he is ruined because of it.

Perhaps you did not throw him under the bus when he opposed Obama on HCR but many here did. That's the problem with killing the messenger. Next battle they may be on your side. I don't agree to agree with anyone 100% of the time. I can make up my own mind.

So your point rings a bit hollow.

with an open mind. I may not have agreed, but I did listen to what he had to say.

Can't say that for many here in this thread.

Five Democrats ran against him in 2008 and he still received 52% of the vote, even though he was greatly outspent. Apparently his constituents like him.

Now I would probably vote for this mediocre bill but it's funny how all of a sudden party discipline is in vogue, a year after courting Republicans was in vogue.

I will donate to Kucinich's campaign, and will pass on the news to my friends who also support him.

I guess Kos thinks we have time travel. He should learn some politics 101.

Does he have another book coming out?

The middle and working class. Yes, he is one of the few in Congress making a principled stand, but the lack of numbers doesn't make that stand any less valid. In fact it is rather sad to see so many Democrats ready to sell out the public to the insurance industry, all for a nice contribution by the insurance lobby to their next campaign. Just goes to show how low the party has sunk.

As far as Markos goes, whatever. He is like any other pundit, he has his opinion and a soapbox on which to spread it. Doesn't make him right, just means more people hear him. I take any position made by any pundit with a grain of salt, and I make up my own mind. In this case I stand with Dennis, kill the goddamn bill and start over.

from professionals of either airline involved..you mean that Markos little scum bag???????

Yeah Markos..you are that scum bag! Oh and aren't you Markos the one who took money from the Obama team? yeah you are Markos..

That f'er can kiss my ..well ask Rahm what he can kiss! It would only be appropriate for Markos to kiss Rahm's a$$ since he has been on his payroll!

I would gladly applaud Dennis's integrity ..any day ..over Markos lack of any integrity in any way!!

STFU Markos..you already proved you are nothing but a money grubbing worthless piece of horse shit!

OH and OP..you are posting and smearing about a Democrat and a true liberal....In Dennis K.


..Markos is not... nor has he ever been... a democrat!
CIA drop out..and perhaps a set up guy..but democrat???..no ..never!

He's really good at that. I'm surprised his lips aren't in permanent pucker mode.

I take pride in blocking the ads on his site, because I do go over there and find some interesting articles amongst his paid-for shilling for whatever issue he's been told to promote.

the Blue Dogs. I guess Markos noticed the President has endorsed Lincoln in her primary fight while she runs ads in AR bragging about working against the President's entire agenda.

:rofl:

who don't toss out our ideals to compromise with a GOP that has only wanted to obstruct and destroy this presidency from Day One?

We get mad at Dennis instead of all the leaders who tossed out single payer before negotiations even started.

Who tossed out more and more Democratic ideals to get a 1% bipartisan bill.

Leave Dennis alone and go work on The Family's Favorite Mentor Bart Stupak.

Markos has zero credibility.

LOL :rofl: hahahahahaha

Dennis is against as it's a mega-billion dollar gift to the insurance companies in the form of captive new customers via mandates paying higher premiums (39% preparatory hike in CA, eh?)

Dennis is against as he stands on principle: Single Payer for ALL! No for-profit!

I'm not from Ohio and I don't know how closely he represents his constituents. But from here he looks like one of the few Democrats with any spine and integrity. I know about not letting the good be the enemy of the perfect and all. But we need people like DK around. I would be sorry to see him go.

K&R

Dennis said BS! and put articles of Impeachment on the table. Dennis didn't get to where he is by being a staunch conformist. Dennis will do what he thinks is the best for the people of this country and his district. I've agreed with Dennis far too many times to throw him under the bus over one disagreement. I absolutely refuse to be a fair weather friend to Dennis Kucinich.

and Dick is still on his TV propaganda machine. But at least Dennis did something, even if the 'reasonable', 'rational' Dems crushed it.

And the OP wants to take Kucinich out?

I have the utmost respect for Dennis Kucinich.

He's one of the very few legislators who "walks the walk." :patriot:

I'll have to look that one up and see . . . nevermind.

In my view, they are both corporatists. In direct opposition to what Kucinich stands for - good government responsive to the needs of working and middle class citizens. Although I was a delegate for Clark, I disagree with his trade policy positions and I'm very pro-union.

"Insurance companies win. Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate," wrote DailyKos founder Markos Moulitas

http://twitter.com/markos/status/6679156993


Yeah, it's the Senate bill but there's very little substantive difference between the current version and the bill at that time.

Looks like someone got to Markos to change his tune.