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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:45 PM
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We need to pass HCR for Teddy
It's what Teddy would have wanted, even if this is far from a perfect bill. He would have fought long and hard for a better bill, but if it was down to this, he'd support it.

Do it for Teddy.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:49 PM
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1. true and all, but I wonder what he thinks of NCLB, for which he is very much
complicit

that was the worst thing that ever happened to public education, and we may never recover

but, then, a whole lot of things 'accomplished' by the Bush junta seem to be having that effect, don't they

he's so far and away the worst president ever that there's no point in ever having another discussion on that subject
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:53 PM
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3. Not everything about NCLB is bad. It has made schools responsible for the improvement of all
subgroups of children, even those with special needs. Before NCLB, they were not really on the radar.

I don't agree with how NCLB was implemented but the philosophy was in the right place.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:51 PM
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2. really?
It appears his constituents felt otherwise...
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:04 PM
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4. They already have health care reform and many don't want to pay for other states.
I must say that if I was in their shoes, I would on some level agree.

Why should smart states have to pay for dumb states like mine? (Georgia)

We vote against our best interests consistently here. To heck with us.


Of course I wouldn't kill health care reform for others, but it would piss me off that idiots wouldn't want it in red states.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 01:22 AM
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5. This corporate fellation bill is NOT reform
And its a horrible insult to invoke Teddy Kennedy's name in any capacity that has to do with it.

If they wanted to truly honor the man, they would pass his 2007 Medicare for All bill, and every so-called Democrat would vote for it out of respect for him. Not to mention, for the best interests of the American people.

And eveb Repukes like Orrin Hatch who considered themselves his "friends" would vote for it. Not that we would need their votes.

THAT would be something Teddy could be proud of. And we should give him no less :evilfrown:
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 01:37 AM
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6. Teddy Disagrees With You...In His Own Words "The Cause of My Life"
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 01:38 AM by TomCADem
I know some folks insist that Ted Kennedy would never have accepted anything short of single payer. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Ted Kennedy, like the man he endorsed for President, Barack Obama, was a pragmatist:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/207406


Now I face another medical challenge. Last year, I was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Surgeons at Duke University Medical Center removed part of the tumor, and I had proton-beam radiation at Massachusetts General Hospital. I've undergone many rounds of chemotherapy and continue to receive treatment. Again, I have enjoyed the best medical care money (and a good insurance policy) can buy.

But quality care shouldn't depend on your financial resources, or the type of job you have, or the medical condition you face. Every American should be able to get the same treatment that U.S. senators are entitled to.

This is the cause of my life. It is a key reason that I defied my illness last summer to speak at the Democratic convention in Denver—to support Barack Obama, but also to make sure, as I said, "that we will break the old gridlock and guarantee that every American…will have decent, quality health care as a fundamental right and not just a privilege." For four decades I have carried this cause—from the floor of the United States Senate to every part of this country. It has never been merely a question of policy; it goes to the heart of my belief in a just society. Now the issue has more meaning for me—and more urgency—than ever before. But it's always been deeply personal, because the importance of health care has been a recurrent lesson throughout most of my 77 years.

* * *

Some years later, I decided the time was right to renew the quest for universal and affordable coverage. When I first introduced the bill in 1970, I didn't expect an easy victory (although I never suspected that it would take this long). I eventually came to believe that we'd have to give up on the ideal of a government-run, single-payer system if we wanted to get universal care. Some of my allies called me a sellout because I was willing to compromise. Even so, we almost had a plan that President Richard Nixon was willing to sign in 1974—but that chance was lost as the Watergate storm swept Washington and the country, and swept Nixon out of the White House. I tried to negotiate an agreement with President Carter but became frustrated when he decided that he'd rather take a piecemeal approach. I ran against Carter, a sitting president from my own party, in large part because of this disagreement. Health reform became central to my 1980 presidential campaign: I argued then that the issue wasn't just coverage but also out-of-control costs that would ultimately break both family and federal budgets, and increasingly burden the national economy. I even predicted, optimistically, that the business community, largely opposed to reform, would come around to supporting it.

That didn't happen as soon as I thought it would. When Bill Clinton returned to the issue in the first years of his presidency, I fought the battle in Congress. We lost to a virtually united front of corporations, insurance companies, and other interest groups. The Clinton proposal never even came to a vote. But we didn't just walk away and do nothing—even though Republicans were again in control of Congress. We returned to a step-by-step approach. With Sen. Nancy Landon Kassebaum of Kansas, the daughter of the 1936 Republican presidential nominee, I crafted a law to make health insurance more portable for those who change or lose jobs. It didn't do enough to fully guarantee that, but we made progress. I worked with my friend Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the Republican chair of our committee, to enact CHIP, the Children's Health Insurance Program; today it covers more than 7 million children from low-income families, although too many of them could soon lose coverage as impoverished state governments cut their contributions.

Incremental measures won't suffice anymore. We need to succeed where Teddy Roosevelt and all others since have failed. The conditions now are better than ever. In Barack Obama, we have a president who's announced that he's determined to sign a bill into law this fall. And much of the business community, which has suffered the economic cost of inaction, is helping to shape change, not lobbying against it. I know this because I've spent the past year, along with my staff, negotiating with business leaders, hospital administrators, and doctors. As soon as I left the hospital last summer, I was on the phone, and I've kept at it. Since the inauguration, the administration has been deeply involved in the process. So have my Senate colleagues—in particular Max Baucus, the chair of the Finance Committee, and my friend and partner in this mission, Chris Dodd. Even those most ardently opposed to reform in the past have been willing to make constructive gestures now.



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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 01:47 AM
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8. And in the words that you just bolded....
Incremental measures won't suffice anymore.

Exactly. And conceding the whole game to the insurance criminals in exchange for one or two scraps is even LESS than incremental measures. It's micro-incremental at best.

And while the bill was in bad shape even when Teddy was still around to pay attention, it's become far worse than that in his absence.

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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 01:55 AM
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9. The Bill Is Largely The Same...
Ted Kennedy supported Barack Obama, and as Ted Kennedy himself notes, he was willing to work with and compromise with Republicans to get a bill passed. The true travesty is to suggest in any way, shape or form that Ted Kennedy would not be supporting the bills pending before Congress. Would Ted have worked for a stronger bill? Absolutely. But if this was the best bill he was able to secure the votes for, I think he has made clear that he would support it.

Incremental? Yes, the bill looks incremental compared to single payer, which Ted Kennedy himself addresses. Otherwise, this is the most significant effort to expand health care coverage in decades.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 01:38 AM
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7. I don't agree with your seance on this.
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