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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:39 PM
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Bottled Wind Could Be as Constant as Coal
Bottled Wind Could Be as Constant as Coal


Wind power has made incredible inroads into the U.S. energy system thanks to big, efficient machines standing hundreds of feet tall. But the future of wind power may be underground.

In the abandoned mines and sandstones of the Midwest, compressed-air storage ventures are trying to convert the intermittent motions of the air into the kind of steady power that could displace coal.

Compressed-air energy storage plants use compressors to store electricity generated when it’s not needed. The air, pumped into large underground formations, is like a spring that’s been squeezed and when it’s needed, it can deliver a large percentage of the energy that it received.

The first and only such plant in the United States went online in 1991, and though the technology didn’t take off, it did prove that it worked. And now, combining cheap wind energy and compressed-air storage could create a potent new force in the electricity markets.

“This is the first nonhydro renewables technology that can replace coal in the dispatch order,” said David Marcus, co-founder of General Compression, a new company that received $16 million in funding from investors including the utility Duke Energy to build a full-scale prototype of their energy storage system, which would be deployed with arrays of wind turbines.



Read More http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/compressed-air-plants/#ixzz0hnvhDovY
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:41 PM
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1. So basicly all you need
is a tin of baked beans , an empty beer bottle and off you go.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:45 PM
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2. Michelle Bachman's head
could be a limitless supply -- just hold a bottle up to one ear, cap it, and repeat ad infinitum...
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:58 PM
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3. Very interesting. This is not just applicable to wind power.
This is a general energy storage technology. This can be used with any intermittent source, including solar.

The article gives the example of it being used with a coal plant which had a large differential in daytime and nighttime demand.
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:08 PM
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4. Compressed air makes a crappy energy storage system though
Effeciencies are way worse than, say batteries or elctrolysis or even water storage. The only advantage is that it is cheap.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:23 PM
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5. Cheap can be a big advantage.
I'm not disputing you as far as efficiency since I really don't know enough about it, but this is not the first time I've heard of this concept and there are apparently some experts who think it's worthwhile (granted, they could be mistaken).

Beyond the fixed costs of erecting and maintaining turbines, wind is essentially free. So it may be that the loss of efficiency isn't that big a deal. It may be that the increase in efficiency that could come from the use of batteries or electrolysis may not be worth the extra cost.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:28 PM
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6. Well, everyone wants cheap. Which is why we don't have solar panels on every house in the country-
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:29 PM by earth mom
because they aren't cheap.

K & R the OP!
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:43 PM
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7. Wired contradicts itself. They did a huge article on CSP with Storage
Concentrated Thermal Solar Power with storage can do 24/7 operation even with several days of clouds.
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