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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 08:57 AM
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"Green Zone" anti war movie **** review by Roger Ebert

"Green Zone" looks at an American war in a way almost no Hollywood movie ever has: We're not the heroes, but the dupes. Its message is that Iraq's fabled "weapons of mass destruction" did not exist, and that neocons within the administration fabricated them, lied about them and were ready to kill to cover up their deception.

Is this true? I'm not here to say. It's certainly one more element in the new narrative that has gradually emerged about Iraq, the dawning realization that we went to war under false premises. "Green Zone," directed by Paul Greengrass, is a thriller that makes no claim to be based on fact, but provides characters and situations that have uncanny real-life parallels. Its director made two of the "Bourne" films, and imports his approach to Baghdad, starring Matt Damon as an unstoppableaction hero.

But this isn't merely a thriller. It has a point to argue: Critical blunders at the outset made a quick and easy victory impossible, and turned Bush's "Mission Accomplished" photo-op into a historic miscalculation. "Green Zone" argues, as many observers have, that the fatal error of the United States was to fire the officers and men of the Iraqi army and leave them at large with their weapons. The Iraqi army had no great love of Saddam and might have been a helpful, stabilizing force. Instead, it was left unemployed, armed and alienated.

Damon, playing Chief Warrant Officer Roy Miller, is seen at the outset leading a raid on a suspected storage site for WMDs. Nothing there. Another raid, intended to find weapons of chemical warfare, turns up years-old pigeon droppings. Because some of the raids produce casualties, he begins to question the intelligence reports the raids are based on. He speaks out at a briefing, and rather improbably finds himself face to face with a U.S. intelligence agent named Poundstone (Greg Kinnear). He's fed the usual line and told to perform his duty, but is overheard by Martin Brown, a hulking, grizzled CIA man who's an old Middle East hand. Soon he's meeting with Brown to pass on his doubts.

"Green Zone" indicates that the CIA, which lacked (as in real life) any evidence to back up the WMD claims, was cut out of the loop, and that Poundstone is not only the architect of the neocon fictions, but their enforcer; he even has a military group answering directly to him....

more at:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100310/REVIEWS/100319990
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:01 AM
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1. "How could anyone have expected anything other than FAIL?" - xCommander AWOL (R)
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 09:02 AM by SpiralHawk
"...with Republicon chickenhawks like me mapping out the strategery? Smirk."

- xCommander AWOL (R)

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:04 AM
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3. "FAIL is our republicon speciality." - xVP Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R)
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 09:13 AM by SpiralHawk
"But on the bright side, our republicon oil, munitions, and mercenary cronies all made beaucoup MASSIVE profits. Sneer. Too bad about all you dead American proles and Iraq civilians and stuff. Sneer."

- xVP Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:04 AM
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2. I recently viewed Matt Damon interviewed by Matt Lauer - Today Show - regarding this movie.
Matt Damon is such a class act. :loveya: Matt Lauer? Not so much. :evilgrin:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:15 AM
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4. I hope the director didn't use his usual monkey-cam style of directing...
the second Bourne film should have been great - instead it was just exhausting

the third one was better - he toned it down a little but the editing was still erratic
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:24 AM
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5. The parents of sons and daughters lost and maimed in this fraud,
I cannot express my grief and anguish for them. They died and were damaged...for what??
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:08 AM
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6. They died or were damaged to fulfill a RW PNAC wet dream
:D
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:09 AM
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7. It's "based" on "life in the emerald city".
which was an excellent book!

This however, looks more like borne/platoon/your favorite explostion movie.

I will see it, but more out of curiousity. I want to see how far off it is from the book. I'm expecting something completely different.

The book, by the way, was very very anti iraq war.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:12 AM
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8. The advertising may not be representative
They do want to get people to see the movie, after all.

I agree that the ads look shallow.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:17 AM
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9. The sad part is...
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 10:18 AM by Javaman
this movie is fiction and makes no other claims, the book on the other hand, personally would make a better statement since it was whole fabric truth.

Even just one or two chapters that I can recall off the top of my head would make incredible movies in the vein of "all the presidents men" but alas, those types of "thinker" movie aren't made anymore.

If you haven't read the book, get it. It's depth and breath in research and first person accounts is mind boggling and at times, will leave you gasping for air in complete wonderment over the stupidity displayed by those "in charge".

I read it once then listened to it on MP3. Both are great ways to ingest it. :)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:18 AM
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10. Yes, it is an excellent book
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