Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The problem with Kuch, are not his ideas.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:45 AM
Original message
The problem with Kuch, are not his ideas.
I would say 99.9% of us embrace Kuchs ideas.

The problem with Kuch, is getting anything actually done, that promotes and sends his ideas our ours further down the line.

Kuch just cannot take half a loaf and work for the rest. He wants it all now or none at all.

Maybe Kuch is the canary in the mine. He points out what needs to be addressed.

But he is a totally ineffective legislator, in actually getting hard things done and a solid result.






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. Principles have no place in the Democratic party!!
How dare someone stick to them!! ...must..march...to the right....resistance is futile..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:55 AM
Response to Original message
2. he exposed 365 warmongering whores yesterday
thats pretty effectual to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. When does your outlandish bullshit end? 31 members of the progressive caucus voted against Kucinich
on his resolution for immediate withdraw. That does not make them warmongers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
11. He made people own their oversight. That was well done. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #2
31. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:55 AM
Response to Original message
3. I don't think he does want it all now or nothing at all.
I believe it is well established he is a single payer guy. Yet, I believe he has said he would vote for a bill which has an effective public option in it.

If we had a few more who would stick to principle over party, this might have been a decent bill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
4. maybe he doesnt trust the establishement (not the Admin) to go and fix once the mandates are in
Maybe he doesnt believe that once things like mandates and tort protections are in place that the establishment ($ for campaigns, bribes, commercials, tea rallies, et cetera) will allow for the "fixing" of the law to actually help the people who need it most.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #4
12. The Democrats in congress are too timid to fix it
The fact that many provisions dont kick in for 6 or 8 years gives them political cover to do nothing for a long, long time. They should have stuck to their principles and put out a good bill. Instead they caved on every front and put out a largely right wing bill.

If they don't pass this piece of crap they will definitely lose the congress. Wow, arent we lucky?!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:58 AM
Response to Original message
5. Every time I come to DU now, no matter which of the two main forums I'm in-
I see at least one of the regular suspects bashing DK right at the top.

Way to go DU! It does my heart good to know that Progressives are still hated here by some.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. +1 ....whole lotta shouting/bitching over ONE person
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. Almost like there is this sick obsession.
If it wasn't so damn sad it would be funny.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #18
29. It's just a few serial moderates who are drastically outnumbered
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #18
33. DLC does have a sick obsession with Kucinich,
because he, along with Howard Dean, has exposed them for who they are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. He is the fly in their ointment. With him out of the way, no one would stand up to them.
Makes perfect sense to me why they would focus on attacking him like this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. You're talking about the shouting/bitching over Obama, right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #24
41. There's no way one House Rep should be under the microscope as much as the President.
Now why are all these people going out of their way to start threads badmouthing one solitary House Rep from Ohio? I'd dare say that this week, he's been a hotter topic than the President himself.

It can't be because of his power--he only has one vote in the House, and no tangible coalitions to speak of. It must be because of the things he says and who he represents.

THAT is the part that all of us--DK supporters or not, should find very troubling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #41
45. If they undermine the progress toward HCR, then, hell YES THEY DO. One vote
can be enough to fuck it all up. Ever hear of Joe Lieberman?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #24
54. The boss takes the flack.
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:00 PM by asdjrocky
The boss takes the blame. The boss is responsible.

You've never been a boss have you? Or in charge of a large project or a large group of people? If you are not willing to take the blame when things go wrong, then you don't have the salt it takes to be the boss.

Dennis is one Congress Member, Obama is the President.

Learn what responsibility means.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #5
15. In 2004 we tried to host a coffee for Kuch, and did not get one person to show up
He got 1% of the caucuses.. Not that anyone does not agree with his ideas, he just does not get it done.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. I see what you mean.
That's kind of how I feel about our President right now. He just does not get it done, not for the people anyway. Now if we're talking banksters and insurance CEO's, that man can indeed get it done for his buddies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #5
23. Every time I come to DU now, no matter which of the two main forums I'm in-
I see at least one of the regular suspects bashing Obama right at the top.

Way to go DU! It does my heart good to know that Progressives are still hated here by some.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Obama is a Progressive? I thought he was a New Democrat.
You should really let some people know, starting with him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. Let's consider his first year, shall we, and we'll go to one of the most progressive voices
Rachel Maddow:

“I think nobody’s noticed that he’s kind of quietly put together the most legislatively accomplished first year of any president in a generation.”

Whatch her entire assessment here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGgd-3Z1HOU
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #32
48. OTOH, look at who he is being compared to -
not exactly a high bar to hurdle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #25
35. Correct. Obama has stated he's a New Democrat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #5
28. DK is a bigger enemy to some of these people than Dick Cheney
DU is turning into Bizzaro World.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
57. The Democratic Party is turning into Bizzaro World. Bought and paid for. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:00 AM
Response to Original message
6. Looky here what Bill Maher says
Comedian and political commentator Bill Maher said Wednesday that President Obama's insistence on courting Republican votes on his legislative priorities has weakened his presidency and the outcome of health care reform.

"I think the biggest mistake that he has made in his first year was to put bipartisanship ahead of fixing the country," Maher declared Wednesday on MSNBC's Countdown With Keith Olbermann.

He said Obama should have "com in with all the energy from the election and saying, you know what, we're in a crisis mode, I won this election by a sizable mandate -- here's what we're going to do; if you don't like it, Republicans, you can suck on it."

The host of HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher has for months skewered Democrats on his show as too timid and lacking the courage to fight for their beliefs. Last summer he famously said, "We don't have a left and a right party anymore" because "Democrats have moved the right, and the right has moved into a mental hospital."

"They should have started with single payer," he told guest host Lawrence O'Donnell. "It's the one program that makes sense, but okay, we live in a country that doesn't make sense... If they had started from that, then the fall-back compromise position would have at least been the public option," Maher said, assailing Democrats for their ostensibly poor negotiation skills.


It's embarassing to be a democrat now sometimes! At least Dennis is one with spine. He holds ground for what's right. He just doesn't have enough democrats to back him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
7. Ultimately most voters vote for people to get things done
not to take ideological stands
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Yeah it would be nice if President Obama would get something important done,
like end the wars, put the scumbags in jail that caused this mess, and many other things. Talk is cheap.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #9
19. You mean like save the nation from an economic meltdown and another great depression?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fading Captain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. LOL. Obama to the rescue!
Get a clue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #21
34. I have a big clue, it tells me that you refuse to give credit where it is due
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:59 AM by NJmaverick
I suspect because if you did it would hurt your agenda.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #34
46. +1. Like a handful of others here that have nothing to contribute
but attacks on the DEMOCRATIC President and personal attacks on members of DU.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. And with your posts you don't include yourself in personal attack mode? Hmmmm
interesting how you view that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. Link?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #51
55. I would certainly call this a personal attack, however that might just be me.
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list

Thu Mar-11-10 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. When does your outlandish bullshit end? 31 members of the progressive caucus voted against Kucinich Updated at 12:51 AM

on his resolution for immediate withdraw. That does not make them warmongers.
Get a glimpse of life with diabetes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad5OCLgiDYE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. No, that's calling outlandish bullshit what it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #19
58. Hasn't happened yet.
Would it kill you to educate yourself on how the bloody financial system in this country works?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
52. Yeah! Do something! I don't care WHAT you do, just do something!
Look busy!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
10. How is it the job of one Congressman to pass sane legislation?
Aren't there a few other Democrats in the House?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
14. Too bad Michael Moore isn't in Congress instead.
He's got the ideals, but he's also practical.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
16. The major problem with Kucinich...
...is that bunch of conservatives he works with, who are totally ineffective at producing the change we need.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fading Captain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:21 AM
Response to Original message
20. By standing alone and voicing opposition, he is getting something done
Why do you think he is so loved on DU?
If nobody did what he did, we'd be even worse off than we already are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
22. latest talking point "ineffective"
seen that word countless times in the last two days.
It seems to have beaten out "grandstanding" for the moment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. At least the "chess" talking point seems to be fading away, though the infamous "magic wand"
does seem to have made a comeback these past few days.

Perhaps the central committee will update the talking points soon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #22
42. How dare you say it's a talking point! No, 50 different posters woke up today & individually decided
they were going to log on first thing in the morning and start threads lamenting about the ineffective grandstanding of one House Rep.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
27. Yep. Kinda like Abe Lincoln when he was a congressman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:29 AM
Response to Original message
30. "I would say 99.9% of us embrace Kuchs ideas." Bullshit!
A lot of people seem to like fighting against those ideas and/or sacrificing those ideas.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
36. Can we start 50 threads talking about how Kucinich can't get things done?
And people say the defenders are off the handle for thinking the attacks on him are orchestrated. Where are all these threads coming from? Where outside of the blogosphere is Dennis Kucinich big news? If people are sick of the "cult of personality" around Dennis, then hows about cutting out the 50 threads a day attacking him?

I'm not even that crazy about him myself. I just think it's a bad sign when one of the last progressives in Congress is under attack from his own party like this. It makes me think that they're trying to kill Liberalism from within the Democratic Party. Then the left shifts to the right, as the right shifts towards insanity. Enough is enough!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. +100
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
38. would you rather have someone who speaks truth or someone who speaks half truth and wins?
Is that what this is? winning the game of politics, but accomplishing little beyond just winning elections? When does truth and justice come in?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
53. That IS the DLC way - truth and justice need not apply. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. And EXCLAMATION POINT!
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:51 PM by truedelphi
DLC is not inclusive of Mr Justice or Missus Truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
40. Kucinich isn't the problem.
He's a traditional labor democrat, something the party needs to get back to. The problem is the conservatives in the Democratic party where they don't belong. They are the ones that are driving people away from the Democratic party and stifling any attempt to take the party's agenda to the left. If Kucinich is ineffective it's because of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
43. IMO, pointing out what NEEDS to be addressed IS getting things done.
Better a lone voice in the wilderness than no voice at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
44. When attempting a velvet robed slam, it is best to avoid the
disrespectful nickname routine.
So many of those bashing Dennis start by saying they agree with him, funny if you ask me. I bash policies I do not agree with, not people I do agree with.
Patrick Kennedy would not agree with you that yesterday's work was ineffective. Why do you disagree with him so strongly?

Congressman Dennis Kucinich is a man who supports the full equality of my family. President Obama opposes basic human rights for some minority populations.
Facts, they are facts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. The illiteracy of the subject line doesn't help, either.
Is our children learning?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #44
50. Sit on it an spin... I have called him Kuch since day one..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC