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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 11:58 PM
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As distasteful as it may be, we have to back up Stupak and others who came around...

It's no secret here that I don't like Dennis Kucinich... I think he's a grandstander who's more interested in portraying himself as politically pure than in getting things done.


But he came around on the HCR bill, so he has earned my support.


I'm pro-choice and consider people like Stupak to be disingenuous assholes who have no right to legislate what women can or cannot do with their reproductive systems....


But he came around on the HCR bill, so if we abandon him in 2010 we'll never get support from the middle again on any other issue.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:01 AM
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1. When someone yelled Babykiller at Stupak,
my heart softened just a bit for Stupak
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 01:00 AM
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19. Yeah, I remember thinking that's messed up, but I felt like telling him there they are, Bart...
Them's the ones that were playing you the whole time
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:02 AM
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2. I agree! Both men came around and when it mattered. . .they were there!
Especially Stupak who was instrumental in avoiding that stupid last attempt by the Reps to stop reconciliation!

I thought Stupak's speech was very good. . . he seemed sincere and he told the Reps that they were hypocrites!

Now, do we know yet who called him a "baby killer?" He didn't deserve that!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:02 AM
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3. No we dont
They stood in the way of real reform, dont go all soft on the blue dogs and DLC'ers just because they got what they wanted passed.

Vote in real Democrats.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:06 AM
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5. We won today.
Can't you find even one good reason to not be miserable about it?

Sheesh.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:10 AM
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8. This win wouldnt have taken a year without those same clowns you want to reward
And it would have ended up a far better bill too.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:16 AM
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10. Maybe.
Why be miserable about what ifs when we just got the most significant legislation passed in the last 40 years? This is absolutely huge and paves the way toward bigger and better things.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:23 AM
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15. Im not, but why bandwagon for conservative Dems?
Sure they helped pass this, but they passed exactly the legislation they actively worked towards by stalling and back room deal making.

Reward them with some sort of loyalty for what, getting the deal THEY wanted?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 06:57 AM
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22. If you knew anything about the district Stupak
represents, you would know that it's quite a feat to have a Democratic representative. Stupacs votes have been good votes, other than his anti abortion stance. I guarantee if it wasn't for Stupak's ability to juggle both the left and right side of his constituents,his district would go to the republicans.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:03 AM
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4. Logic and reason will get you nowhere. . .
against the stupid.
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:06 AM
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6. Hooray for Nancy!
I agree, I like Dennis because he supported full Universal coverage, but that was unrealistic An approach such as an introduction to it would be more possible, and build on that. I think Stupak is a worm,and I think HE was grandstanding. I agree that NO male has the right to legislate women and their choices. I think the best approach is for the Democrats to fine tune who runs in elections, pick more left of center candidates, and close the door on bluedogs. As for Nancy Pelosi, Great Woman!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:07 AM
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7. Go right on ahead with your bad self.
I'll stay here and continue to try to get affordable health insurance.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:14 AM
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9. The fuck we do. I'll never support an anti-choice candidate.
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:17 AM
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11. Same here. Stupak can still eff off, as far as I'm concerned. nt
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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:17 AM
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12. I'll support him
in a back alley with a coat-hanger.

Fuck that guy.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:17 AM
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13. I don't owe jack shit to anybody
Least of all anti-choice garbage.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:18 AM
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14. Uh. No.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:24 AM
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16. MSNBC interrupted him! I wanted to hear his statement so badly
:mad:
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:41 AM
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17. Throwing in with all the majority:eff Stupak--defeat the Blue Dogs. Out with them all! Stop the
slippery slope to the right. Every Blue Dog would have been a Republican not too many years ago.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 12:50 AM
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18. No, we don't
We can choose to support those who care about all our rights.

Anyway, I'm sure the DLC will take care of him.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 06:51 AM
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20. I would argue your use of the descriptor "middle" as you apply it to Stupak
He is an extremist.

His vote was the result of threats made by House leadership.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 06:57 AM
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21. No, I don't. I sent money to his primary opponent and will support her.
His C-Street cult connections and open misogyny makes my support impossible.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 06:59 AM
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23. I will never support Stupak.
Ever.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 07:00 AM
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24. Eww, no. Purge the ConservaDems.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 07:01 AM
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25. This is much like supporting your abuser.
They often send flowers after they abuse.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 07:11 AM
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26. NO WAY
Stupak GETS NO SUPPORT.

He is the one who made this an issue. He is the one who declared himself the enemy of women.

so, he declared war and I hope he is a casualty of it when the primary votes are counted.

I cannot believe people on this site who claim that this ASSHOLE deserves support!!!!!!

He lost ANY support he will ever get from me. And I hope that other women join me in helping to unseat him.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 04:40 PM
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27. Another: hell no!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 04:58 PM
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28. "Back him up" how? "Support" him how?
He helped weaken this bill. We can thank him for eventually voting for the result, but this fucker needs primarying, frankly.

He played the worst sort of politics with the health of our children, friends and loved ones.

He did it for money, and not based on anything I'd call principle.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 04:59 PM
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29. Why?
Would we have to back any Republicans who came around?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 05:07 PM
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30. Fuck that shit...
Edited on Mon Mar-22-10 05:08 PM by butterfly77
that mf had the bill tied up just like some others and they think we are going to forget...He made us go through some unnecessary stress and time..
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