Grayson just called for Cantor to resign, because of his remarks.

Listening to Alan Colmes.

Grayson is slaying the pukes big time. He is great!

Did he mention the holes in Cantor's bullet (bullshit) story?

Right wing pukes called Grayson's home and threatened his 5 year old child. He's got every right to be pissed at Cantor for making shit up.

He also just said: "The republicans are trying to induce a national nervous breakdown with their fear and hysteria."

Grayson really has a way with words, and he is fucking fearless. I love this guy!

I enjoy Colmes too, which is surprising to me.

But, I love Colmes! I wish I could stay up longer to listen more. He has the deftest touch at making his wingnut callers sound like idiots. Half the time, they have no idea how to respond to him.

That Vanderboegh or whatever was on the other night. When the guy complained that it was hard to live on the paltry sum he gets from SSI, Colmes quipped, "Oh, you're mad because the government doesn't send you enough money."

COLMES: Resign his leadership post, or resign from the Congress entirely?

GRAYSON (sighing): My goodness. I’m not even sure where he should stop. snip

and not so funny

snip: Grayson also relayed how he received a call at home last week and when his five-year-old answered the phone a woman said she was gong to kill Grayson.

GRAYSON: We had a woman call the house when I was in Washington DC. She called my house in Orlando last week. And my five year old – I have twins actually – one of the five-year-olds hit the speaker button when the phone was ringing. And she said if you vote for this bill, I’m gonna kill you.

not to be taken lightly in this climate of intimidation Kristallnacht RW gun nuts

The first one was torpedoed by the police, and the second one is kind of an insult to people who really are victims of anti-Semitism.

If he has been a victim of anti-Semitism in the past, the time to bring that up was when it happened. To suddenly start talking about it when he's trying to ham up this supposed (and disproved) attack on his office strikes me as disingenuous.

it happened for political gain and not try and use it to deflect from the crazies of his own party doing horrendous things.

He may be acting in a disingenuous manner, but without proof one way or another, neither of us can tell. Being Jewish as well, you should know it is part and parcel for us. Others are experiencing backlash and anti-Semitism is rearing its ugly head. If he is a liar, then I too would be pissed and denounce it, but I won't dismiss it just because he is Republican or because of recent "hammed up" event.

Just on his say-so? :shrug:

Do you believe that Obama is a Muslim on the say-so of others?


I usually look for something called the truth. When a synagogue or churched is attacked/defaced then that is a hate crime.

When somebody draws a conclusion without a clear reason or substance (i.e. an anti-Semitic death threat) then I called that an assumption or attention grabbing.

If some yahoo had called Cantor a racial/religious epithet on his way to work then I'd be right there with you in agreement and condemnation, but considering the source and the moment, I have to take his revelation with a grain of salt.

Do you believe Republicans can't be victims of anti-Semitism, even the Jewish ones?

I'm not interested in the hypothetical of IF he could have bee the victim of anti-Semitism.

I ask for proof and not GOP side-show hysterics to smokescreen the mess that they have made.


Come on. Can you at least see this for the lame attempt for the GOP to do damage control now that they've let the monster out of its cave?

I claimed that he was a republican using anti-Semitism as a smokescreen for the political climate of threats and harassment that the Democrats are experiencing right now.

Every one of those worms is doing a tap dance to get as far from the damage that they have created; all the while telling the Dems to stop talking about it.

He's a republicans. Republicans lie for political advantage.

When you commented about enough of theoretical...in the real world, your implication was what he said wasn't true. Your subsequent posts, including the one to which I am responding, also imply you have proof. Of course, your "proof" is that he is a republican and, as such, lies: again, claiming he wasn't a victim of anti-Semitism. So prove this is so without logical fallacies, dollface.

He's a republican. Republican's lie for effect, and if you aren't able to see that then I feel somewhat sorry for you.

I know you're willing to take him at his word. I, however, will do no such thing. If it's proven you've lied in a courtroom, your whole testimony is suspect. Cantor had his chance to tell the truth. He's proven that he's incapable.

you're asking MUAD_DIB to prove that cantor hasn't been the recipient of anti-semetic slurs?! you REALLY want to go there?!! you demean all REAL instances of anti-semitism when you run that crap out there.

Cantor makes a claim. Cantor then needs to either show proof or correct himself for being in error.

This is also a reality: Republicans lie for effect.

are anti-semitic enough to be violent, I have not heard about them. I have heard about extreme right-wing groups that advocate anti-semitism and racism in general. So, if Cantor has been the victim of antisemitic attacks, he should denounce the extreme right wing and express sympathy for the Democrats suffering from violent attacks. So, Cantor's stance makes utterly no sense unless it is a strictly knee-jerk, partisan defense.

insisting on their being called publically liars. All we need do, is have doubts, expressed, and renounce violence and threats, by anyone, why is this hard?

That we tend to have evidence in the form of pamphlets, threatening letters, recorded phone calls, graffiti and all manner of other forms of intimidation. Whereas Cantor seems to have none of these things.

Even Cantor didn't say that. He mentioned the window and the hate calls separately. He could be right about that, but the person who did it might right now be throwing a brick through Louise Slaughter's window.

that his party has unleashed.

"Look at me! I've been attacked too...although it took place some time ago...so the Dems should just shut up!"


Republicans are lying worms.

Doesn't screaming 'anti-semitism' when none exists actually do more damage to Jewish people everywhere by creating the public impression that anti-semitism is a trivial thing? I think there was a fable about a boy and a wolf that covered this.

I'm sorry but Cantor is a douchebag and trying to strut up his absurd claims that are rooted in nothing more than selfish partisanship and disgusting attempts to spin do not help anything. Trying to log on as a concerned Jew and defend him does a hell of a lot more harm than good.

Fail.

You are enabling a proven liar him and doing so using poor logic. I am sorry but merely saying the word 'fail' does not touch any of the comments I made. Can I at least beg of you that you remove the Star of David from your posts as they seem to do nothing but make Jews look bad.

You need a dictionary stat. You also could use a course in logic, it might help you identify logical responses, lack therof, and help you avoid your own logical fallacies (ad hominems personal attacks).

You are aware that you accused me (falsely) of the ad hominem in the very paragraph that you implied I was stupid.

When I asked you to take down your star it was Because of your illogical and unsound arguments and the fact that you were doing damage by invalidating actual antisemitism by giving absurd levels of weight and gravity to a completely uncorraberated claim. I did not call you a name or demean the argument. You are, by your strange use of the word inventing a new fallacy 'Pre-hoc ergo propter hoc.'

I only plead with you that you cease demeaning Jews in the eyes of the public in this manner. And I will clarify in saying that it is not you that is unworthy but this line of argument that you have assumed.

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from hundreds of yards away and miraculously, on its way down, hit the building where Cantor has a sometimes office that might be used for meetings but doesn't have a sign on it. Yep, sounds like anti-Semitism to me. Got anything else?

he is a liar.

according to the ballistic report that the bullet was shot straight in the air and hit his window randomly do you not understand?

Why do you always feel so persecuted, and why do you always bring that perspective to every post.

You look and sound like a one-trick-pony and that's to bad, because it takes away from any valid points you might have.

In all sincerity...think about it.

According to the Chinese in the nine cities I've been to living here, Jews are smart, clever with great business minds, devoted to family and fantastic scholars. Basically, they are in awe of Jews and wish more would come to China.

Stereotypes like that I can live with!

I can imagine what stereotypes Mr. Grayson has put up with from teabagging dipsticks!

he was threatened by the same people threatening the Democrats, and he should feel solidarity with the Democrats and denounce the threats to the Democrats.

He "encourages" others to do the same. Most people (including me) didn't know he's Jewish. So, his bullshit stories are beginning to crumble.

I have no doubt he may have been on the receiving end of anti-Semitism, but if so, it's coming from the same people who are throwing bricks through Democrats' windows now.

...now back to reality.

Please share.

GOP from their smoke and mirrors.

JHJC. :eyes:

And, so we are clear, I am not talking about the shot to the window incident. I am also well aware of the GOP's methods, but I am also well aware of the prevelant anti-Semitism in this society.

What is JHJC?

You're right that any claim of threats needs to be addressed and investigated if there any.


I have also just watched the video where he says that since he has been in office that he has received threats because of his position and because he is Jewish.

He was directly threatened...bullet through the window...received threatening emails but won't release them (but he will pander for the cameras)...Democrats using these incidents for political gain...Democrats are the ones fanning the flames...using these threats as a political weapon...on and on with the usual GOP BULLSHIT.

These guys (GOP) cry, kick and scream at the drop of a hat at the least perceived offense by any Democrat. But when the threats are real and fanned by their party for months and culminate in genuine and tangible threats to Democrats then they claim that the Democrats are the ones that are encouraging it!!! That's like saying a woman who tells the cops that her abusive X wants to kill her is just carrying on too much and should settle down.


So, if Cantor would like to release the anti-Semitic threats against him, or at the very least a police report or conviction of the threaten-er, then I would gladly accept that as proof. So until that time the burden of proof is on the one making the accusations.



JHJC: Jesus H. Jumping Christ.

...your implication was it wasn't true and this was why I asked "You have proof?"

to say "Look at me I am a victim" when it is his party that has started the mess that we're in.

Just because he says it does it mean that it is true? Is he above lying and playing on the emotions of a religion for pure political gain?

So yes he is a republican, and I believe he is indeed lying to deflect attention from the shitstorm his party has created over the last year.

Just because I wrote it doesn't mean that it is false.


Have fun with your denial.

Ad hominems coupled with your "burden of proof" nonsense? You made the implication. You prove it.

It's on Cantor to prove it, cupcake.

a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true
only because it has not been proven false
, or is false only because it has not been proven true.


Don't bother with this one.

All I ask for is some proof.

This is ridiculous. The burden of proof of these allegations and implications does not rest on some random person crawling on the internet it falls upon the person that made these allegations. I believe that if you honestly cared about real anti-semitism you would want Cantor to come forward with specifics about this.

If his allegations are true I certainly know I want details.

In this case it does rely "on some random person crawling on the internet" as he is the one who implied the allegations were false. However, as another poster pointed out, though he thinks it applies to my statements, MUAD_DIB is using the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad ignorantiam, a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true (the italics indicate the version MUAD_DIB is using). I made no claims as to his allegations veracity or lack thereof, I simply refused to dismiss it outright because he is a Republican or because he lied about the window incident.

...and b) The claim is made by a member of a party of serial liars.

He didn't enunciate this very clearly, but it is obvious that this is what he meant and it is, in my opinion, disingenuous to pretend his argument rests solely on fallacious thought patterns.

Of an political persuasion. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

I completely believe Grayson. If black, Democratic Congressmen can be called nasty black insults, I am sure Grayson has received anti-Jewish ones.

I'm glad I'm not there. If I were Grayson, I'd caller ID all of them and then press conference saying this is what Republicans do, giving a list of names of people who have called my office.

Then I would thank the GOP Leadership personally but handing them to Eric Cantor, saying this is REAL bigotry you flamed, a-hole.

Do you believe what any goniff says?

--imm

The whole "can't prove a negative" is bullshit.

But a failure.

Well, not really, but...I can easily settle this: If Cantor says something, it has to be false. He is a rethuglican. They always lie.

Got it? :smoke:

Bad logic again

You are here to proclaim that rethugs don't always lie?

That, my friend, is a very strange thing to say. Are you ill?

front of the cage and then released it into the flock.

Fuck him. Anti-semitism is wrong, but obviously he fans the flames of racism then expects a special dispensation? You reap what you sow, Cantor.

When you learn to spell. Come back

Yew don't no who yer messin with hear!

are you a moran or what? }(

should I?
And this thread is fucked up.

BTW, I was talking freeper-talk when I wrote series?!!11

Most old-timers on this board know that particular freeperism quite well.

The joke is on you! :rofl:

They'll be very interested to know that you've revolutionized the whole discipline.

Just make silly "right back at ya" remarks without ever bothering to look anything up? It's kind of ridiculous.

You can't prove a negative. It's a very simple, universally accepted fact of life. Like 1+1=2.

"Five is not greater than four."

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4 + 1 = 5

Five is greater than 4. As two statements can't support a positive and a negative assertion, therefore, if something is "true," it can't be false at the same time. If something is false, it can't be true.

Try reading:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/theory.html
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf
http://goosetheantithesis.blogspot.com/2006/01/you-cant-prove-negative.html
http://askville.amazon.com/prove-negative/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=6173899

So when you prove that an egg will break if you drop it off a building, you're also "proving a negative" because you've disproved the statement that "an egg will not break if you drop it off a building".

You can't counter logic with semantics, I'm sorry.

Edit to your edit.

Also, read the links.

For the record, no, I'm not embarrassed. I wasn't wrong. I think you know what "prove a negative" means, and it is not simply the converse of a provable point.

Use you example when you read those links.

NOT!

What does any of this nitwit misdirection have to do with Grayson calling out Cantor?

Especially when I'm on the sidelines watching. :thumbsup:

nt

You think the ballistic report that the shot was fired straight in the air and randomly hit his window is not proof? What kind of proof do you require? That the aliens did it? That the anti-sematic elfs, fairies & leprachauns that hate Jews were responsible.

Please! Quit being so hysterical and running around in circles yelling....those dang blasted anti-Jew hating thugs knew where that bullet was going to land.

:wtf:

and threats. He's blaming the dems for this shit.

you know, the one which declares the US to be a "Christian Nation".

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/RelChStSep_90/4519_90.htm

Take it from there, buddy.

It is so gratifying to watch the GOP/RW on the run.

I don't think the GOP had any inkling how badly this would backfire on them.

I think he's right.

:hi:

Wish I was back in Florida, my native state. Grayson :loveya:

I am stuck with stucky Rep. Mike Ross and Senator Blanche Lincoln here in Arkansas who vote like Republicans! DINOs!

I actually lived in his district for awhile in the mid 90s, long before he became the rep though.

Didn't care much for that area. A bit too commercial and too many rednecks who didn't care for hippies like me. :hi:

:rofl:

I am not surprised to see what was posted.

Or are aware of the unmentionable-on-DU website he frequents.

It should be pointed out that he has lost control of the caucus with members shouting "You Lie" and "Baby Killer" from the floor of the House.

Go, Grayson.

One could call so much bullshit on the GOP that they could literally be covered in their own excretement ten times over.

Do what they do to us!. BTW, why haven't Vitter, Craig and Ensign also resigned?

Why would he resign over a little disingenuousness? :shrug:

and spreading it further.

I forgot what this thread was about - since it was highjacked by some anti-semitism arguement that had nothing to do with the original op...

Oh, Grayson is correct and police report did confirm that Cantor lied ;)

If they show me proof then that is a different story.

That guy rocks.

but, since he's a Republican, we know Cantor has no shame.