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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:47 PM
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ABC Series ‘V’: Invading, Fascist Lizards Arrive With ‘Universal Health Care’ and ‘Message of Hope’
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 04:50 PM by Ian David
ABC Series ‘V’: Invading, Fascist Lizards Arrive With ‘Universal Health Care’ and ‘Message of Hope’ –ABC Network Portrays Aliens, Hell-bent on Destroying Planet Earth, as the Obama Administration



ABC Series ‘V’: Invading, Fascist Lizards Arrive With ‘Universal Health Care’ and ‘Message of Hope’ –ABC Network Portrays Aliens, Hell-bent on Destroying Planet Earth, as the Obama Administration

By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org 04 Nov 2009


The ABC television network has brought back the science fiction series, V, in a remake of the 1980’s classic by the same name. A bit of background: V (or V: The Original Miniseries) is a two-part science fiction television miniseries, written and directed by Kenneth Johnson. First shown in 1983, it initiated the science fiction franchise concerning aliens known as the ‘Visitors’ trying to gain control of Earth.

The 1980’s version was about as ‘left-leaning’ as you get, with writer-director Johnson actually dedicating the series to ‘resistance fighters everywhere.’ (Johnson opens showing rebels/film crew avoiding an invading helicopter attack in El Salvador.)

In the remake pilot of V, which aired on November 3, 2009, the leader of the aliens grants an exclusive interview to a conciliating, Fox News-style reporter, Chad Decker, who consents to the alien leader’s constriction: ‘We can’t be seen in a negative light.’ in order to get the interview and get other exclusive announcements from the Visitor’s leadership. (Think Fox News-Bush regime.) During the interview, interspersed with scenes from a meeting of a nascent resistance movement, Anna, the Visitor’s leader, announces that the Visitors are going to open medical clinics all over the country, as a gift to humanity. The interviewer actually asks, ‘Oh, do you mean like universal health care?’ And Anna, the scourge of mankind, replies, ‘Yes, I believe that is what your people call it.’ The implication by the ABC producers of ‘V’: An alien lizard fascist, trying to take control of earth and who must be destroyed at any cost, will provide universal health care as a cover to control all earthlings and to take over the planet.

Moreover, the alien Visitors frequently talk about the importance of *hope* and how change does not come easy. There are numerous analogies of the Visitors to the Obama Administration, peppered throughout the pilot.

The ABC remake is comparing the Visitors — alien terrorists, with sleeper-cells laden with Visitor supporters — to the Obama Administration. A better comparison is the alien terrorists to Blackwater aka Xe aka U.S. Training Center. In reality, the Visitors and the mercenary firm share the same goals –stealing resources by any means necessary while killing as many detractors as possible.

More:
http://www.legitgov.org/price_abc_v_aliens_as_obama_admin_041109.html

Yes, I know this is from Lori Price and Citizens for Legitimate Government, who are both way far-out there on the far, FAR lunatic fringe of The Left, but I think she's right on this one.

ABC-TV is using the series "V" as Conservative propaganda disguised as science fiction.



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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:50 PM
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1. yes, this plot point is disgusting.
I guess they got too many complaints about the aliens being so much like BushyCheney and changed course...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 PM
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5. During the run-up to the election, MediaMatters found ABC was more anti-Obama than Fox "News."
ABC has taken-on a deliberately Conservative and anti-Obama bias, especially in recent years.


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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:44 PM
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58. absolutely right--just didn't notice it last season n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:45 PM
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59. absolutely right--just didn't notice it last season n/t
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:50 PM
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2. You have to admit, the lead lizzard lady is hot!
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:51 PM
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4. She was Inara from Firefly.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:57 PM
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16. I didn't realize that! Shiny! n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:28 PM
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52. Yeah, with long hair she was even hotter.
This show strikes me as a little goofy... I'm not ready to get all that worked up about it. :shrug:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 PM
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7. Oh, hell yeah. But did you see that lizard women eat their mates? n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 PM by Ian David
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:52 PM
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54. ...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:51 PM
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3. Dude - who cares? Anna is SMOKIN!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 PM
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6. I've watched every episode, and its really just a remake of the orig version
I dont see any comparison to the Obama admin, in fact it could just as easily be said that having "Anna" as the leader of the V's is a representation of having Palin leading a group of invaders.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:53 PM
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8. If it was Palin, she would have quit already. n/t
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:54 PM
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10. Not until she's halfway through the season
:rofl:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:55 PM
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13. The original miniseries from 1983-84 is WAY better
even the not so good series they spun off from that in 1985 is better than this crap.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:12 PM
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42. Wow - the spin-off series was hilariously bad
I remember watching just to laugh at the awful script and acting. If this is worse ...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 08:05 AM
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63. The series became "The A-Team With Lasers." n/t
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:15 PM
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23. I didn't either
Especially as the show was announced only a few months after Obama took office, when the wars and Sotomayor nomination, and not healthcare, were the leading political issues of the day. The show went on the air about the time that healthcare started becoming THE major issue, so people drew obvious parallels, but they ignored the fact that the series had been written, and the episodes filmed, long beforehand.

It follows the plot of the original fairly closely. The aliens show up promising to bring health and technology to the human people at no cost. It turns out that they were just (SPOILER) making us healthier so they could eat us. The same way we inject antibiotics into cows.

Knowing the storyline from the original, the free healthcare thing wasn't a big deal for me. For those unfamiliar with the plotline of the original series, I can see how you'd assume that it was just a political shot.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:53 PM
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9. The show is not doing well in the ratings and will be canceled
Just wait it out.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:55 PM
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11. I might have continued to watch it if there were some lesbian scenes. n/t
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:58 PM
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17. Thats due to ABC's stupid way of splitting seasons up
Its a serial drama, it needs to stay fresh week to week to maintain, and build, an audience.

Showing 6 episodes then waiting 4 months to continue the story was asinine.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:55 PM
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12. That's a stretch
to say the least
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:56 PM
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14. More like: Invading, Fascist Lizards Arrive With Bad Writing and Boring Plotlines
Could that show BE any lamer? /chandler
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:30 PM
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32. well, I guess Anna could be less hot.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:47 PM
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39. Meh... Monica Baccarin isn't really my cup-o-tea
Now Elizabeth Mitchell .... :9
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:29 PM
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53. Just goes to show ya.
You and I have extremely different tastes, sir.
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Beako Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:56 PM
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15. I've known this for a while
The poor acting specifically suits the teabaggers' tastes.

I turn off the TV whenever Lost is finished. And on that note, Lost is starting to get really anti-skeptic and pro-religion. I can deal with it though, since I'm a hardcore Lost fan :P
Can't turn back now after so many seasons!
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:59 PM
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19. First off---welcome
I've watched every Lost episode and admit half the time have no idea what is going on...but---the acting is good and it's well written.

Only a couple more episodes left so I'll stick with it to the end.
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Beako Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:17 PM
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24. Thanks for the welcome :D
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:39 PM
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44. Lost has always had strong religious overtones
Locke's "Man of Faith" bit, Charlie's Catholicism, the Virgin Mary statues used by the heroin smugglers, Yemi the village priest, Eko's transformation from warlord to priest, Desmond's time in the monastery, the Dharma Initiative and its Hindu/Buddhist spirituality, Egyptian mythological references, all sorts of afterlife references.

It's probably the most overtly spiritual show in the history of mainstream television.
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Beako Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:24 PM
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51. But lately, they've been more overt about it
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 07:27 PM by Beako
They've portrayed:
-Jack the skeptic as being a "lost soul".
-MIB-Lock, the man who thinks there is no purpose for being on the island, as being a murderous villain.

Up until the 6th season, religion was merely a meme. Now, religious mythology could very well be real in the Lost universe.

Well, at least Ab Aeterno, the most overtly religious episode of all, was a very entertaining episode :)
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:59 PM
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18. After having watched the first two episodes
I don't think the writers are good enough to have intentionally included a politically relevant plot aspect in any kind of meaningful way.

It looked more like:

Flunky - "Oh man, how are we going to get people to watch this lame retread with no new ideas?"

Hack - "Ummm... walk out to a newspaper box and tell me what you can read without paying anything."

Flunky - "There was something about reforming health care and a bear loose in the suburbs."

Hack - "Perfect! We'll use health care now and the bear in season 2. It's gonna be a hit! Let's celebrate with cocaine!"
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:10 PM
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20. well done nt
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:12 PM
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21. Does the series use that horrid song from the band Muse as a theme song?
I've heard bits of it during preview ads of the show, but there's no way in hell that I'm watching that dreck. Muse has gotten a rep as a 'libertarian' band, and I've even heard that Clown Blecch is a fan, so if they've sold out to ABC, that's strike three AFAIC.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:27 PM
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30. Muse? Libertarian? Not at all.
Beck likes it for the same reason that so many rightwingers like Born in the USA...they're too stupid to listen to the words and just hear the chorus.

Muse is a very progressive band, and the lead singer is a LIHOP loving conspiracy theorist who despises right wingers. If you listen to the lyrics, you'll hear that it ACTUALLY contains an explicitly anti-corporatist message. There was some talk about them suing Beck for a while, but I don't know what became of it.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:36 PM
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36. That's what I get for listening to rumors
instead of looking up the facts for myself. I've done some quick research and found that things are as you say :hi:

It doesn't change my opinion of that song, Insurrection, as the lead singer's vocals make me want to stick daggers in my ears.
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:12 PM
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22. It's a remake. n/t
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:19 PM
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25. I'm against political based censorship.
The writers don't have to be "fair" or "centrist" just like you don't have to watch it or buy products from companies that advertise on the show. As for me if it has a good storyline I'll watch it regardless of what perceived agenda they're pushing, I'm mature enough to read between the lines.

This is whats wrong with Cable "news" today, they appeal to political parties and rarely do actual news.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:21 PM
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26. Price is being an idiot
and reading far too much into it.

I like the remake and hope it gets renewed.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:36 PM
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35. Wouldn't be the first time Price was an idiot, but I think she's right on this.
BTW, I think she's been banned from DU several times, IIRC.

Or I just have her on Ignore. I forget which.

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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:22 PM
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27. but Obama didn't support Universal Health Care
So I guess I don't need to worry.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:25 PM
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29. +1
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:33 PM
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33. Good point! The Visitors are Dennis Kucinich! n/t
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:38 PM
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37. YES!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:57 PM
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47. Universal health care is much more associated with the Democratic Party than the Republicans.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 07:14 PM by Uncle Joe
If all your hopes and dreams are pinned on Obama, you probably don't have anything to worry about, but if you believe universal health coverage/care for every American from the cradle to the grave to be the highest and best answer in regards to "promoting the general welfare," this series is working against you.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:24 PM
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28. Is that still on the air?
Watched the first one and that pretty much did it for me. Typical network crap.

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:28 PM
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31. I tried it, but it was just too horrid...
I am a huge fan of the original and I'd rather stick with that.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:34 PM
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34. Same here. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:38 PM
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38. Hate to say it...but the original was the same plotline so kinda hard
to politicize it, unless you are Karl Rove in which case you are trying to protect THE QUEEN MATRIARCH, PROTECT HER AT ALL COSTS KARL!!!. Lizards...mehh...whatever..
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:16 PM
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48. The original was about resisting Fascism.
V (1983 miniseries)

<snip>

Series creator Kenneth Johnson has said that the story was inspired by the 1935 novel It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis. Also, several scenes from the original TV pilot resemble the Bertolt Brecht play The Private Life of the Master Race. A short story by Damon Knight entitled To Serve Man (later adapted into an episode of The Twilight Zone) had a similar theme of deceptively friendly aliens secretly cultivating humans for food.

In a commentary track on the DVD release of the mini-series, Johnson reveals that V was originally intended as a straightforward political thriller, charting the rise of a fascist movement in the United States. However, NBC wanted a sci-fi hit, to capitalize on the success of films such as Star Wars.

The story became a Nazi allegory, right down to the Swastika-like emblem used by the Visitors and their SS-like uniforms. There is a youth auxiliary movement called the "Friends of the Visitors" with obvious similarities to the Hitler Youth, and Visitor broadcasts mimic Nazi-era propaganda. The show's portrayal of human interaction with the Visitors bears a striking resemblance to stories from Occupied Europe during World War II with some citizens choosing collaboration and others choosing to join underground resistance movements.

Where the Nazis persecuted primarily Jews, the Visitors were instead depicted to persecute scientists, their families, and anyone associating with them. They also distribute propaganda in an effort to hide their true identity. Some of the main characters in the initial series were from a Jewish family and the grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, frequently commented on the events of the past again unfolding. Once they are in a position to do so, the Visitors later declare martial law to control the scientists (and resistance fighters) as well.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%281983_miniseries%29


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:10 PM
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40. A gift to humanity: doing stuff in the US that the country could do for itself
No, not 'clean water for the developing world', 'a non-polluting energy source', 'food for the starving millions'; but 'healthcare for one of the richest nations on the planet that it could do itself if it had the political will'.

American navel-gazing at its best.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:18 PM
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49. In the new series, the visitors are giving that stuff to the whole world. n/t
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:11 PM
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41. If you want intelligent and compelling sci-fi, watch "Battlestar Galactica."
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 06:12 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
The series (the recent one, not the original from the '70s) is an allegory about our foreign policy.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:18 PM
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50. Agreed! Or Babylon 5. n/t
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:25 PM
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43. And they did the exact same thing in the original mini-series.
That's why it's called a "remake"
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:40 PM
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45. Thanks for the flash back. Boy! Were they wrong back in Nov 2.
This show isn't anything other than seriously bad acted.

This was posted on DU back in Nov when the show premiered. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:51 PM
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46. And guess who they're setting up to be the "hero" trainer of the human resistance movement?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 07:12 PM by Uncle Joe
A criminal mercenary; this would be the man framed for the warehouse explosion by the visitors; aka promoters of universal health care.

Blackwater/Xe must be walking around with pup tents in their pants.

One other point this series takes aim at those men insecure in their masculinity, last night's episode was a prime example as the Queen visitor chowed down her weak, submissive drone after mating in order give nutrition to her eggs.

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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:56 PM
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55. Pretty good review here: ABC’s “V”: Invasion of the Obamatons
--snip--

“V” portrays a humanity so head-slappingly gullible that I feel like they kind of deserve to be invaded and eaten by lizard people. Each character lurches about like a drunk in a bounce house, planless in the most important hour of his existence.

--snip--

It’s a bit thin, but there are a few hints here and there in the pilot that seem to indicate that the fascism unfolding in the new “V” is not the classic Hitlerian fascism of the original miniseries but the paranoid projections of fascism that are imputed to Obama by the teabag set. There is a lot of talk of the Visitors “spreading hope” and “being at peace,” and even offering “universal health care.” There is even the obsequious press, represented by that Michael J. Fox knock-off from Party of Five as an unconvincing telejournalist who trades softball questions for access to the hot V spokesmodel. The buildup to their interview is a crude, but not entirely inaccurate, shorthand illustration of how reporters are cowed into obedience, but given the other political touchstones in the pilot it seems more like the kvetching of a disgruntled conservative against the “Obamedia.” The mindless enthusiasm of the teenage son becoming a “peace ambassador” seems an obvious corollary to a McCain voter’s impression of the verve of Obama’s young supporters, who will form his “civilian defense force” in the paranoid fantasies of Michelle Bachmann. There is also an obligatory “It’s like 9/11 never happened” line, which really makes no sense in the context of invading space aliens. If the original “V” was really about how Nazis came to power, this version appears to be a hysterical Glenn Beck-style vision of the coming Stalinist purges. ABC, after all, is the network that ran the ahistorical propaganda atrocity of Republican bias called “The Path to 9/11,” refused to run the Reagans miniseries because it wasn’t worshipful enough, and employed John Stossel for years after he became an obvious CATO flunkie.

So far, it’s just enough to be annoying, although the universal health care bit really was too much. I almost hope, really, that they get more heavy-handed with it—perhaps the Vs could form death panels, or take everyone’s guns.

--snip--


http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=896
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:31 PM
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56. Eh... it's getting cancelled anyway
I watched the pilot. I loved the original when it was on, so I was really anticipating a great show. They lost me when the FBI agent was checking terrorist message traffic FROM HOME! Duh...

It does have some of my favorite actors on it, though. Morena Baccarin from Firefly and Joel Gretsch from The 4400.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 08:04 AM
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62. And don't forget the hologram from Andromeda. n/t
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Therellas Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:33 PM
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57. Lizard promoting Lizards.
neat.

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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:12 PM
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60. "It's a cookbook!...IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!"
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:27 PM
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61. No, it's not!...
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