Remember, Clinton was impeached, then acquitted

There is absolutely no reason the same can't happen to Bush, if for nothing else than to make a statement that the Democrats represent the American people who have had enough of this stubborn, foolish, incompetent, idiotic, embarrassment of a president. There is no doubt in the public's mind that he deserves it, unlike the Clinton nonsense.

The do have the votes in the house, do they not?

...where you got your numbers.

I could be wrong. I was under the impression that the Democrats had a majority in the House and a very slight Lieberman supported majority in the Senate...

Especially on something as divisive as impeachment. Surely you can understand this. Just look at the Democrats who voted against going forward against Bush on the spending bill in the Senate today. It is not so clear cut.

A Democratic majority does not mean a pro-impeachment majority. The political will for it does not exist. Not yet. You have to build the house before you can live in it. Republicans are the sort to march lock step into a political maneuver if their bosses tell them to march; Democrats are more diverse bunch and it will take a lot more than a nod from Pelosi to get the representatives from swing districts to go to the wall on this.

Unless something big and new breaks, I don't see how the Dems can muster the momentum for impeachment on a time table sooner than the next election.

didn't really have any impact on the American people, the Constitution, or our security.

What Bush has done is something entirely different, that has impacted every American citizen, our freedoms, our rights, and our security.

Just thought I'd mention that...

What the Republicans did there was dead wrong. I don't think we should be using it as an excuse or an argument for impeaching dubya.

the Republicans went ahead and impeached Clinton because they could, knowing full well ahead of time that they did not have the votes to convict in the Senate and that those votes were not going to magically appear. There are many now who want the Democrats to impeach Bush because they can, knowing full well ahead of time that there are not the votes to convict in the Senate, but believing by faith that somehow those votes will magically appear when all of those nasty Republican senators repent and realize the error of way.

Continue the hearings and the investigations and if impeachment is going to be a reality it will happen. I think that if there is a real possibility that Bush would be convicted in the Senate after being impeached that the Republicans would go to him and convince him to resign. Of course, unless Cheney resigns first or is impeached and convicted first (he, too, would resign for health reasons before that happens), then we would have President Cheney. Then there is that one really big factor--time, as the clock runs out.

Open televised hearings, thorough fact-finding by non-agenda driven investigator(s), taking the time to use the highest standards of judicial restraint and fairness. You know, really put the Bush team culture of secrecy and corruption to shame and lay out a convincing case that in decades history will indisputably record as the first justified impeachment and removal of a president in US history.

Just because there are more people with (D) after their name than (R) does not mean they have the votes.

If we have a second impeachment attempt that fails, the public will see it as nothing more than a tool that political parties like to use against each other.

An impeachment alone will have lost any significance. It may already, due to its misuse during the Clinton administration.

The Clinton impeachment was so obviously a put up, set up job that only the wingnutters in congress and their enablers in the public (but not really) who were Lush Limpball aficionados could support it.
Even the politically unsophisticated-which I was-and the really religious nut jobs whom I worked with-which I was not-recognized the hollowness of the impeachment and trial.

Nobody who thought about it for a minute could accept that even someone who was supposedly ga-ga over her paramour would hold on to a dress with cums stains on it, carefully stored away for two years, rather than have it cleaned or toss it, unless there were ulterior motives and she were a paid agent.

The right wing creeps thought it would be a cinch and that they would get away with it. The democrats are having to be dragged, kicking and protesting, to the table and that fact has not been lost-Pelosi and Reid chess gambit, here-on the public ear.

Do two thirds of the senate and the country believe impeachment is the appropriate tool in this case?
Probably not, yet, but another six months of hearings and disclosures of the filthy underbelly of corruption and I'll bet at least seventy five percent will be for it, particularly so since the corrupt cronies in congress are getting quite nervous about having their own names and *'s appear in the same paragraph.

Nothing else will do!

He likes jumpsuits, lets give him an orange one.

IMPEACH. If for no other reason than to stop these criminals dead in their tracks. Two more years is more than a lifetime of damage they can inflict upon this country.


I can't get this song out of my head... so I'm passing on to all. The last paragraph pretty much sums up the republicon attitude for me:


Lost For Words – Pink Floyd

I was spending my time in the doldrums
I was caught in the cauldron of hate
I felt persecuted and paralyzed
I thought that everything else would just wait
While you are wasting your time on your enemies
Engulfed in a fever of spite
Beyond your tunnel vision reality fades
Like shadows into the night

To martyr yourself to caution
Is not going to help at all
Because there'll be no safety in numbers
When the Right One walks out of the door

Can you see your eyes blighted by darkness?
Is it true you beat your fists on the floor?
Stuck in a world of isolation
While ivy grows over the door

So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go fuck myself
You know you just can't win