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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:10 PM Original message |
Nationalize the mines and other extraction industries like lumber and |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. K and R. I see some "free market lover" unrec'd you. eom |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yeah, the idea is too commie for most who have been brainwashed |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. We have some serious supply-siders on this board. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You have GOT to be shitting me |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Well of course |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. The Dem party actually has been the party of promoting the |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. But the very idea of 'regulation' |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. The fact is that Hoover didn't give them at all. So which side |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Change and concessions are not the same thing |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Well, what else would you expect |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. This website has also been about have polite discussions about various |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. As I said |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. Sounds reasonable. EDIT |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. They have no problem with financing wars. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I agree in principle, the damage is cumulative. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. Works for me. I turn redder and redder the older I get and the more |
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humus (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. Matewan |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I never heard of it. I need to get a video of it. |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. K & R |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. I believe that land should be privately owned for the most part... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I hope not. Turning over the national forests and blm lands to private |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. "for the most part" |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Exactly what natural resources in Saudi Arabia belong to the people? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Royal family only takes 50% of the profits. Rest goes to the people. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
107. only? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
127. I think it is too much as well but it gives 50% more to the people than Exxon does. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Exactly how do you figure they don't? |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. That you would compare a backward neo-fascist country |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
65. Your snark speak volumes about you |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Your posts contained nothing but assertions. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. I agree. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Well put. I will have to remember to frame it just that way for |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It's an issue of "framing." |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
27. In this regard I am a full-0n Socialist. I agree 100%. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
30. Oh my god. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Welcome to the working class's side of the aisle. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Hell, I was born here! |
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justanaverageguy (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
33. Your idea is built |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Why wouldn't the government be able to? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. The govt already does business more efficiently, effectively, and cheaply than private industry |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Yup! Guv'mint already knows cheap real good --- like: where, for instance, it can buy more . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Let's see that seemed to have happened during the Reagan years. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I'm tryin' . . . I'm tryin'! How does message #75 grab ya? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #76 |
86. If you are going to keep posting to me, get your facts in order. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. It was citizens' action groups in West Virginia that caught the attention of . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Then go on being exploited by the mining companies. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Don't you have any more recent myths you can perpetuate? |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Thanks for the link! Don't know any freepers; but would this "myth" pass muster as "newer"? ---> |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:36 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. It doesn't even pass as relevant |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Brought to you by Anaconda Copper Company, an American company |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. That is one humongous bottomless pit! Dig, dig, dig it! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Thanks for the link. I knew it had been debunked but I couldn't |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Such is the case for most government demonizing |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. About the DMV. They are state run anyway. I have rec driver's licenses |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. The people who make such comparisons either do so for the sake of idiots, or are idiots themselves |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
81. I think that's true only for things that should be public goods anyway |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Or the goods sold in the department stores. n/t |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
79. When have natural resources NOT been profitable? And why would "profit" be your first consideration |
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justanaverageguy (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
108. Because the profit is a central point of the op |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
34. Damn straight.... |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. I agree. K&R! |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
37. K and R |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
38. As a native West Virginian, I might agree with you if . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Certainly the states should take their share providing they |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. When you live in a State where natural water resources . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I guess I understand why you have been so exploited by the mining |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
41. About Codelco, the nationalized copper mining organization that replaced |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. How much are the workers paid? (n/t) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Much more than they were paid by the Americans, which was about $40 a month.. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
46. I agree completely, with one exception. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. There is use for a lot of small and large entrepreneurial companies. Mining towns |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
49. Well, here's another option. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I definitely believe that is an interim solution. |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Out of work is bad, but temporary. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Well, I did a search using Google, and this is what I found |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. There are private mining interests such as Spence is owned by BHP Bilton. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
121. But that's not the most productive mine according to the list I saw. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
51. Which other countries do you mean? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Look at my post #41. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Then you should look at what I found using google |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I am a born American who lives in the USA, but lived in Chile in |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Maybe this is caused by childhood trauma? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. They have not reversed it. The state owned mines exist today, in spite of the |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
104. Astronomers indicate giant meteorite headed towards Earth |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. I'm not sure that nationalizing stuff is the answer. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Regulating the workplace is only one side of it. What I'm looking at is |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I get what you're saying. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I think the mine should be nationalized and the owners put on trial for not |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I don't know what the "perfect fix" should be. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
66. And put some big teeth into OSHA. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. MY land and MY trees get along perfectly well without anyone else's intrusion. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Fishing yes, and I used to work for the Forest Service so a little knowledge |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:58 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Less than 29% of timber-producing land in the US is public property. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #74 |
84. I don't remember saying anything about ending timber sales. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
68. Completely agree! I'd like to add it to my list: |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Nationalization of natural resources to be managed and protected by the |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
119. Works for me. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
75. Here's a picture of Codelco's Cuquicamata open-pit copper mine . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Hey, I learned to drive in there when it was in American hands. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. "There is nothig that lives there except people." and, where Money is the name of the game . . . |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Link please! n/t |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. The link is up-thread .. . . at the bottom of Reply #75 . . . |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
77. Why didn't you propose this idea back when the Republicans controlled all three branches of gov't? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. They were in charge and they sold them to the highest bidder. n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. WTF? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I'm for some private enterprise just for competition. |
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Indi Guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
82. Good Luck... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Sadly, that needs to be done too. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Where have you been? Corporations have been recognized as "persons" since the 1800s! (eom) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Really? You post a lot of weird statements with no links. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Considering that you're obviously incapable of doing a google.com search for yourself ---> |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Oh, I'm done. |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Oh, dear! And I thought we were simply playing "tit-for-tat" . . . guess I was wrong . . . |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. Sorry you (and the other guy) don't understand hyperbole. If you did, you might have laughed. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
96. state ownership doesn't guarantee safety |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Again, comparing totalitarian dictatorships to how democracies do it |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Nationalization tends to be linked to the evolution of a dictatorship. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Try this. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I hear Sweden doesn't have much that's nationalized |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Oh now you are making sense. You are in Venezuela. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. I think? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Okay, back to Sweden. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. I noticed that India was on the list of countries that had nationalized coal mines |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Of course you know this doesn't have to be. So you are implying that |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. Good contribution, welcome to the debate |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. It was a gotcha contribution and adds nothing to the debate, but |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
118. Not to mention the "Federal" Reserve. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. You know, I always thought the Federal Reserve was federal until |
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