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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:13 PM
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Poll question: What do you think is the essential political struggle in the US?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:14 PM
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1. Our steadfast refusal to join the rest of the civilized world
In fully adopting and embracing the Metric System.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:16 PM
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2. All else flows from the power of the wealthiest to dominate the rest of us.
And they are aggressively extending their efforts to further increase that domination.
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rampart Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:54 PM
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13. the class war
all other poll options are battles in this epic struggle.

are we winning? depends on who "we" are.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:16 PM
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3. Options 3,4 & 6
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:19 PM
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4. BTW, I think 3, 4 and 6 are actually the same thing
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 12:20 PM by branders seine
though perhaps with slightly different priorities
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:26 PM
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5. Individual vs. Collective
All of those choices can be boiled down to that one theme.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 01:18 PM
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16. Indeed. N/T
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 05:35 PM
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29. Not that simple
A corporation is a very effective example of a collective working towards it's goals, especially as they make people suffer for it's "greater good", whereas someone posting on sites like this is indiividual. You cannot say "collective Good/individual Bad" because then you sail into the waters Stalin polluted.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:29 PM
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6. The struggle to get our representatives to represent us. nt
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 01:18 PM
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15. isn't that circular?
if they don't represent us, how can they be representatives?

Also, isn't the system so corrupted that your aim is impossible currently?

How do we do it?
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:31 PM
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7. Like everywhere else in the world
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 12:32 PM by cilla4progress
across time and distance...those who HAVE are invested in maintaining the status quo (self-evident), thereby obstructing progress towards more equitable ends. Materialism has to be in there somewhere: the values of ego, control, power, manifested in property ownership. Until it becomes truly embedded in our DNA that family, relationships, compassion, equality bring far more happiness and peace, this struggle around materialism, on so many levels (comfort; toys; sex) will continue.
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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:31 PM
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8. It comes down to GOOD vs. EVIL doesn't it?
I think there are good rich people (look at the Kennedy's), good capitalists, even a few not so bad Republicans (at least a
few that are more or less honest, just wrong). Hell there are probably some good tea baggers (just mostly stupid and easily led). Unfortunately there are also the BAD in all these categories. So it comes down to non caring MEANIES and well meaning
NICE FOLKS>
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:45 PM
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10. so hippies versus everyone then?
;-)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:39 PM
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9. Dualists vs. Monists
--d!
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:50 PM
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11. Fantasy vs. Reality
I don't know how else to put it...
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:52 PM
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12. Greedeology vs. The World
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 12:52 PM by DirkGently
Social justice issues and the rest (of the unrest) are part of the ever-tightening funnel of resources from the many to the few. The revival of boom-and-bust economic cycles is the most telling -- the same people always benefit, because the system is conveniently rigged in their favor.

The factor that seems to really tip the balance in public opinion in the U.S. though, seems to be the effective use of social / racial / cultural tensions and jealousies to keep a large segment of the middle and working classes on the side of the haves. I don't think it's an accident that Civil War memes are being revived (Virginia's "Confederacy Day," Florida "considers Confederate license plates, etc.). It's still the plantation owners convincing the poor whites that it's not THEM hoarding the resources, but those scary "others," whether defined in terms of race, religion, gender, or immigration-status.

And it's still working.

What do we do about that?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 01:00 PM
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14. ..
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 01:42 PM
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17. Actually, Royals morphed into capitalists/corps . . . . and they are anti-democracy ....
Patriarchy/Organized Patriarchal Religion, which is its underpinning --
and its economic system - capitalism - are all based on exploitation.

The greater the exploitation, the more profit$$ made, the more power/control they have.

It's all connected . . .
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 02:20 PM
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21. neo feudalism
same families since the Middle Ages in many cases
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 01:43 PM
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18. Labor vs. Capital didn't make your list.
It's the only real struggle -- all else grows from that.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 01:59 PM
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19. pretty much the same thing as 3, 4, and 6
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:11 PM
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22. Yes - We should remember that much of the effort is put into keeping labor powerless . . .!!
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 02:05 PM
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20. The mine disaster is a case in point.
In order to grow their wealth the owners did not make the mine safe. Now they are saying that death is just a risk you take if you are a miner.

I see us going one of two ways. The first is that those with wealth grow their wealth on our backs like the kings and the serfs. It is happening today with the Wall street banks, and health care. If you get in the way of their wealth growth you are expendable.

Or we could take control of the society and change it. There are more of us then them yet we fight among each other while our country is turning in to the first post industrial third world country.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:24 PM
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25. the miners are responsible for their own safety?
I hate this country in many ways.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:15 PM
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23. Corporatists vs. Labor.
And the corporatists have the game pretty much locked up. I don't see any way to end this. They own most of Congress, the Presidency, the Supreme Court, all the wealth and the media. Looks to me like it's over.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:23 PM
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24. The Corporate Elites vs. Everyone Else
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:29 PM
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26. Federalists v. Anti-Federalists includes all of the above.
The struggle was expressed before we had a government and continues - virtually unaltered - to this very day.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:34 PM
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27. Class. Absolutely. n/t
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:26 PM
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30. It's all a class war.
and we lost.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:40 PM
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31. There is more yet to lose. n/t
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jessiedaniee Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:52 PM
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28. Re:What do you think is the essential political struggle in the US?
Hi
The political struggle in US is seems to be predictable.Now the health insurance law is good one.
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