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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:17 PM
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"When You're Strange": The real Jim Morrison
"When You're Strange": The real Jim Morrison
Almost 20 years after Oliver Stone's legendary "The Doors," Tom DiCillo's doc takes on the Lizard King
By Andrew O'Hehir


Rhino Enterntainment


During a concert recording heard on the soundtrack of Tom DiCillo's trippy, fascinating documentary "When You're Strange," Doors lead singer Jim Morrison demands of his audience, "Would anybody in here like to see my genitals?" When the response to that rhetorical question has died down, Morrison continues: "I don't think there should even be a president, man. I think we should have total democracy."

It would be easy to conclude that the Lizard King was massively wasted on booze or hash or acid or some other drug cocktail of choice on that occasion, and that moreover he was kind of a self-important idiot. Both things are very likely true, but the intellectual thread that connects Jim Morrison's cock to the White House is not as flimsy as it appears. However you feel about the Doors and their music -- and DiCillo's generous and substantial film leaves room for varying interpretations -- the band had an outsize cultural impact, embodying the Dionysian macho-rebel spirit of late-'60s white (male) American youth with psilocybin intensity.

At this point, documentaries about '60s rock bands constitute their own genre, and it's frequently a tiresome one: Clips of civil-rights protests and Vietnam firefights, a highlight tour of assassinations and campus uprisings. There's a little bit of all that in "When You're Strange," but the film stands out for several reasons. There's the total absence of talking-head interviews with grizzled scenesters (or any other present-day footage); the cool and measured narration by Johnny Depp (clearly the perfect choice); the direction by DiCillo, a hard-luck indie veteran making his first documentary. "When You're Strange" is also free of the "fair use" copyright restrictions that plague so many rock docs. All the surviving band members signed off on the project, and you'll hear all the major Doors hits (from "Break on Through" and "Light My Fire" to "L.A. Woman" and "Riders on the Storm") in this film, which has been timed to accompany a 13-song soundtrack release from Rhino Entertainment.

"When You're Strange" consists almost entirely of archival material: home movies and photos, concert and rehearsal footage, period TV broadcasts, even clips from a UCLA student film in which Morrison appeared before he became famous. Especially since we're talking about a band whose entire career spanned less than five years (from early 1967 to Morrison's death in the summer of '71), this strategy collapses the historical distance between us and the Doors, and spares us the morass of maudlin pseudo-Proustian reflection into which many such pop-nostalgia films tumble. Furthermore, this underscores the ways that Morrison, in all his confusion and self-contradiction -- reclusive poet, leather-clad sex god, reluctant celebrity, abusive drunk, pop star with limited musical gifts -- remains a vital cultural force, the conscious or unconscious model for many rock stars, actors or rappers who came later.

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http://www.salon.com/life/rock_and_roll/index.html?story=/ent/movies/andrew_ohehir/2010/04/08/when_youre_strange
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LeftWingPunk Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:20 PM
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1. even though Jimmy died 20 years before I was born
I've always been a huge doors fan.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:27 PM
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4. Loved the rhythm section, hated Morrison
and I'm old enough to remember when their stuff was fresh and new.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:09 AM
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29. Morrison was a total asshat but I loved Chrystal Ships and The End.
Playing the End at two in the morning when no one else was around was seriously emotional.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:20 PM
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2. i liked dennis leary's take on morrison
"i'm drunk i'm nobody. i'm drunk i'm famous. i'm drunk i'm dead"
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:49 PM
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6. It was a gross exaggeration. A cutting together of Jim's drunken moments. - Ray Manzarek
THE DOORS DOCUMENTARY TO DEBUT AT SUNDANCE FESTIVAL

Oliver Stone's movie was not very good. It was a gross exaggeration. A cutting together of Jim's drunken moments. And making, you know, taking a drunken moment, and all of the good stuff, no, no, we don't want any of that. Let's take another drunken moment. Let's put those two drunken moments together. You got drunken moment after drunken moment. Absurd, and you know, rebellious, and wild, and crazy.

A friend of mine watched the movie and said, "How'd you guys write the songs? I mean it doesn't make any sense. How did Morrison ever compose any poetry or write any songs?"

I said, "Exactly."

You know, so Stone just took the sensational moments and put them all together.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:01 PM
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10. two points
1) i wasn't saying leary was historically accurate. he;'s a comedian. it was funny though
2) don't even get me started on jim morrison poetry. ugh

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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:03 PM
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12. there's a killer on the road, his brain is squirmin' like a toad
:eyes:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:11 PM
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15. it's like shakespeare. "moronic pentameter" nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:40 PM
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23. LOL.. Have you listened to what passes for pop music today?
More like cretinous blank verse..
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:45 PM
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24. but most of those "lyricists" don't credit themselves as POETS
morrison's lyrics were ok.

that's why i referred to his POETRY

when taken away from musical context and written as poetry, to stand on its own - well... ugh

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:05 PM
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26. I'm reminded of Sturgeon's Revelation...
"Ninety percent of everything is crud."

And brother Ted was a flaming optimist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_Law

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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:09 PM
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27. yes, i reference that often
like 90% of people are basically doing the right thing, but nothing spectacular or particularly noble

5% are saints and 5% are scumbags/evil

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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:31 PM
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What have we done to the Earth?
What have we done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
and
tied her with fences
and
dragged her down.


Smack in the middle of some kick-ass psychedelic rock-n-roll
When the Music's Over still resonates after all these years.

I can still hear the scream of the butterfly
Jim Morrison ... :yourock:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:38 PM
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22. That is perfect.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:21 PM
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3. K & R for the Doors
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:09 PM
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14. Second that!
K & R
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:38 PM
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5. Huge Jim Morrison/Doors fan...
Even though he had died several years before, I was obsessed with him as a teen. Love their music.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:49 PM
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7. I thought Morrison the best vocalist in rock.
He just had a great voice. His approach, and the sound he and the band made, was unique, though their last stuff was pretty bad.

A friend of mine who was at a party where Morrison showed up said that yes, he was indeed a drunken asshole.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:51 PM
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8. Riders on the Storm was the last song Morrison recorded..
I thought it was one of their better efforts..

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:02 PM
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11. Heh. Just have to agree.... nt
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:15 PM
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17. I thought it a re-tread of earlier songs.
The whole first album was amazing and is still excellent.

on the other hand, "Hello, I Love You" is almost cartoon-ishly bad.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:31 PM
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20. Manzarek's use of the Rhodes electric piano for the rain sounds was brilliant IMO..
But brilliance, like beauty, is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:59 PM
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9. His vocals sold the music. The songs were mostly so bad, no one else could have done it. nt
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:35 PM
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28. I think LA woman is one of the very best songs ever recorded. n/t
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:06 PM
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13. "An American Prayer" should be on everyone's shelves.
Jim the drunken rock boy is what most people saw. Others saw a gifted wordsmith and a powerful spirit. He was a bard, a shaman of the time surrounded by too many hipsters to even know it.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:14 PM
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16. Ray Manzarek still lives in Norcal. Heard his interview (1 hr) on KGO yesterday
Apparently he and Robbie are still performing and will begin a European tour next month

Densmore is still around but he apparently is nursing some sort of grudge against the other two.

It was a good interview. He was plugging this film and had nothing good to say about the Stone effort.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:18 PM
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18. Densmore always had a hair up his ass
about something. If it wasn't Jim, it was "the other two". No pleasing some people.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:56 PM
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25. He was good in Open 24 Hours.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:22 PM
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19. I'm not a huge fan, but I LOVE "The End" in Apocalypse Now n/t
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:32 PM
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21. (!!!)
Me too. :beer:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:24 AM
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30. I still like the Doors,
My youngest daughter, who was born in 1985, had a Doors fixation for a while when she was a young teenager. She had CDs of all their albums, posters, books. I guess Jim still had sex appeal and drove young girls wild even after having been dead 30 years.
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