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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:59 AM
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Emanuel re Obama: "he’s probably more realpolitik, like Bush 41"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/world/14prexy.html

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“Everybody always breaks it down between idealist and realist,” said Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff. “If you had to put him in a category, he’s probably more realpolitik, like Bush 41,” the first President George Bush, Mr. Emanuel said.

He added, “He knows that personal relationships are important, but you’ve got to be cold-blooded about the self-interests of your nation.”

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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:07 AM
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1. Everybody always breaks down Rahm between insufferable asshole and soulless douchebag
If I had to put him in a category, he's probably more weasel
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:38 AM
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42. What have weasels ever done to you?
I'd go with insufferable, soulless asshole douchebag. :hi:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:41 AM
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43. That works for me. nt
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:11 PM
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54. Me Too (nt)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:08 AM
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2. Well, there it is
Obama is governing like a Republican would. And that's straight from the WH.

So the next time one of the apologists starts berating me for saying this, I'll refer them to the WH Chief of Staff.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:11 AM
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3. Your post is proof that reading comprehension should not be removed from schools
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:11 AM by Renew Deal
:shrug:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:13 AM
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5. "he’s probably more realpolitik, like Bush 41"
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:14 AM by ixion
Yeah, that statement is pretty unclear. :eyes:

Again: If you have an issue, take it up with the White House Chief of Staff.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:21 AM
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15. I fully concur.
However, please note that both my advanced degrees were gleaned from State Universities. Therefore, in the world of the democratic ruling class, my opinions don't count unless they are decidedly Pro-Executive Branch.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:23 AM
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20. exactly...
I'm in the same boat. Sociology and English from a State University. But I don't support the DLC, therefore I'm a troll, or some such thing.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:31 AM
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27. I'm One Of Those "Some Such Things" And Am Finding My BOAT Ain't
FLOATING all that well these days!! I am so sick of this "going along to get along" and it will ruin the DNC if they don't wake up!!

I will NOT apologize for being a liberal and I CAN READ! Unfortunately, the handwriting on the wall looks very skewed to me, skewed to the RIGHT by the party I once LOVED!

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:36 AM
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31. You can always PM me when you become frustrated.
You've got a like minded person in me.

I get sort of lonely here at times. ;) :toast:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:01 PM
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49. Okey-Dokey, Will Do!! Just Came In For The Day & My Body Sore, Bruised, Scratched AND
scraped!! Leaves everywhere, and landscaping clean-up BIG TIME! But the very worst, trimming the bougainvillea!! I've been doing a little here and there, but jumped in with ALL fours today and I'm just about too tired to eat!

Glad that my husband is away dealing with some business because I'm sure I wouldn't be cooking OR even going anywhere to get him something to eat! Southern guys like home cooked dinners, and he's a picky eater!

So, having said that, I'm headed to my bath to soak and then plop my butt down for the evening! But I'll BE BAAAAAACk!

Glad to hear from you again, and yes we do think alike most of the time! Actually almost all of the time!! I'm a little curious about your name, but since I probably won't be back until tomorrow, it will have to be put on hold!
:hug:
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:08 PM
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53. I feel your pain!!
My guys learned that this time of year, all bets are off, and when the boys were little, hubby pitched in more. Now take-out from their favorite deli is okay.

I still cook, but leftovers, etc., just may be what they have to choose from, whether they like it or not. :hug:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:32 AM
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28. Join the club. I try my best to be polite ... but I feel like an outcast.
BTW my best friend in Grad School (Clinical/Physiological Psychology) had earned her bachelors in English from Penn State. English? Please forgive my numerous grammatical errors? If it wasn't for her excellent and thoughtful editing of my papers, I would haven't have finished my thesis. :blush:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:11 PM
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50. I Try Very Hard NOT To Make Grammatical Errors, But There Have Been
times when I hurry a post and then look back and see one or two errors. Makes me cringe!! Many times I'll just point out my very own mistakes right after the post! However, each has their own style and some don't ever use caps or much punctuation, and that's fine! Texting is a code of it's own too!

While I generally don't call out others for their mistakes, I really get upset when I do it. However, there have been times when I've pointed out an obvious error! I noticed one the other day when we had our little thing going, but I just let it go at the time. So you see, it DOES bug me because I remember exactly what at least one of my errors was!

Okay, "outta" here for now! I stink!!
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:19 PM
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51. Of all of the Republicans he could've compared him with
Bush 41 is hardly the worst (I actually don't think, as Republicans go, he was all that awful myself), however saying that he is like a Republican in a certain respect (REALPOLITIK- whatever THAT is) is a far cry from saying that Rahm and/or Obama are really Republicans/Republican-loving. Did you see how he humiliated/outshone House Republicans at their own retreat??? Or that he passed HCR over their unified opposition??? Has he switched parties and I didn't realize it? I know that he is probably more conciliatory than many of us towards Republicans but he sure has got a funny way of *loving* him some Republicans and/or trying to emulate them.
:eyes:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:13 AM
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6. Agreeing with this post right here.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:15 AM
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9. Once again:
If you have an issue, take it up with the White House Chief of Staff. All I did was quote him. That you're unwilling to accept that statement from the WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF is your problem, not mine.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:22 AM
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17. I agree...it's a compliment for Bush 41...very clear to me...
...and you gotta wonder why Rammit feels the need to show the Nazis so much love.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:24 AM
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21. Maybe because George Schultz is in the papers supporting Obama and they're trying
to get an important treaty passed, which only happens with 8 Republican Senators on board.

:think:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:37 AM
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40. And that you cannot manage basic reading comprehension
and realize that Rahm was not calling Obama a Republican is YOUR problem, not mine.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:23 AM
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19. Agreed - that is one of the dumbest posts I've seen here in a while
:eyes:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:24 AM
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23. See post #9
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:14 AM
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How do you define governing?
Rahm was saying that his style of governing is similar to that of Republican President Bush 41. He did not say that he was enacting Republican policies.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:16 AM
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12. He has continued numerous Bush-era policies
do you deny this?

Do you deny that the Obama DoJ has gone to the wall to defend bogus neocon policies?

Please. You need to stop spinning. You're going to make yourself sick.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:35 AM
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30. Which has absolutely nothing to do with realpolitik vs realism, vs idealism
Which is what Emmanuel is talking about. You're basically accusing Emmanuel of a Freudian slip.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:30 AM
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39. ...
:rofl:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:30 AM
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26. Rahm loves him some Republicans
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:41 AM
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44. of couse he's both DLC & a former investment banker.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:12 AM
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4. Great, compare him to a Repuke, and one of the most unsuccessful Prez of all time.
Just who does Rammit Emanuel think crap like this helps?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:14 AM
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7. well, there it is. I rest my case.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:14 AM
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8. Here's the headline: Obama Puts His Own Mark on Foreign Policy Issues
It's a foreign policy story. Beyond that, the comparison with Bush 41 is attitudinal, not policy-based.

None of which will prevent the mindless here from saying Obama is a Republican, as we've already seen.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:15 AM
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10. Oh, lovely.
Like the great social scientist Neil Young used to croon about Pappy:

We've got a thousand points of light
For the working man
We've got a kinder, gentler
Machine gun plan

... Keep On Rocking In The Free World!
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:15 AM
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11. There it is...

that old broken clock thing.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:17 AM
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13. Emanuel is a MORON - Bush1 was cold-blooded for interests of GLOBAL FASCISM and against our nation
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:21 AM by blm
Emanuel is another Dem genius who couldn't be bothered reading the details about IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning. Oh yeah....he worked for Clinton who helped protect the secrecy and privilege of Poppy Bush by deepsixing the serious outstanding matters in all his criminal operations. So, Emanuel is probably quite familiar with the coverup.

I fear that Obama really doesn't GET the REAL history of the 80s and 90s, and Emanuel is in the perfect position to MISLEAD on those matters.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:21 AM
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16. He is Obama's CoS
so if he's a moron (which I agree with) what's that say about Obama for appointing him?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:24 AM
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22. I doubt Obama studied BCCI or Iraqgate before taking WH. He's foolish to rely on beentherebeforeRahm
and other Clintonites who worked in the Clinton WH protecting Poppy Bush and his cronies throughout the 90s.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:34 AM
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29. +1
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:35 AM by Moochy
The continuity of the coverup continues, in the spirit of Moving Forward Looking Ahead cold bloodedly.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:26 AM
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24. If Rahm were politically "left of center" he would have been FIRED after the first inappropriate
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:38 AM by ShortnFiery
outburst. We must all bend over backward to APPEASE THE GOP for the sake of BIPARTISANSHIP.

The man behind the curtain SAYS, "Rahm's little tirade outbursts are made accidentally, on purpose." :evilgrin:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:44 AM
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45. +1000 nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:29 AM
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25. To Rahm the idea of comparing Obama favorably to a successful Liberal Democrat
rather than a failed Fascist Republican would be inconceivable, if not fucking retarded. (I say failed as in service to the American people. Bush1 was very successful in who he was really serving, as were his successors.)
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:21 AM
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14. "Cold-blooded" sounds like Rahm's projection
of his own approach to me. I.e., triangulation. A losing proposition. And Bush 41 as a political mentor?

Gack.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:22 AM
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18. Oh yes, the CHIEF Executive is never held responsible for the outbursts of his subordinates.
:crazy:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:38 AM
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32. on the bright side: Papa Bush is the furthest to the left he's complimented anyone
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:45 AM
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34. And to spin more positive, isn't is much better to be like Pappy who's "evil but sane" ...
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:47 AM by ShortnFiery
rather than his son, who who's "evil, stupid and insane?"

Yeah, we're much better off now! :evilgrin: :nuke:

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
-- George H.W. Bush to reporter Sarah McClendon in 1992
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:39 AM
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33. Is that supposed to make me feel better, Rahm?
It doesn't.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:52 AM
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35. Rahm is like the guy in school who tried to impress the bullies by backstabbing his egghead friends
No, he didn't say Obama's policies were like Bush's. He was clearly trying to build that association.

Even if it was for short term political gain, statements like these, paired with the administration's actions, show a clear window into their thinking that Bush I and Reagan style conservatism are desirable things to be associated with, while Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich and Progressivism are things to distance themselves from.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:55 AM
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36. dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 10:55 AM by rudy23
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:55 AM
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37. The only thing Rahm ever stood up to was that steak in 1996.
From his famous Clinton post-victory rant. We're supposed to be impressed with the "toughness" of a guy with zero backbone & zero convictions?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:58 AM
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38. It sounds like he's referring to foreign policy.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:37 AM
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41. you mean one-term president, bush 41?
that guy?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:39 PM
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47. +10,000,000
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 01:18 PM
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48. +1000 points of light
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:44 AM
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46. straight from Rahm's mouth: Obama governs republican, just like Bush, sr. n/t
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:23 PM
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52. Well it is better than being compared to Bush Jr.
:shrug:
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