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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:13 AM
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`Twilight' series on list of challenged books
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 11:43 AM by The Straight Story
`Twilight' series on list of challenged books


NEW YORK – Stephenie Meyer, the hottest author for young people since J.K. Rowling, has a new link to the creator of "Harry Potter": a place high on the list of books most complained about by parents and educators.

Meyer's multimillion-selling "Twilight" series was ranked No. 5 on the annual report of "challenged books" released Wednesday by the American Library Association. Meyer's stories of vampires and teen romance have been criticized for sexual content; a library association official also thinks that the "Twilight" series reflects general unease about supernatural stories.

"Vampire novels have been a target for years and the `Twilight' books are so immensely popular that a lot of the concerns people have had about vampires are focused on her books," says Barbara Jones, director of the association's Office for Intellectual Freedom.

Christian groups for years have protested the themes of wizardry in Rowling's books, which don't appear on the current top 10.

Topping the 2009 chart was Lauren Myracle's "IM" series, novels told through instant messages that have been criticized for nudity, language and drug references. Last year's No. 1 book, "And Tango Makes Three," by Peter Parnell and Justin Richardson, is now No. 2, cited again for its story about two male penguins adopting a baby. Third was Stephen Chbosky's "The Perks of Being a Wallflower," for which the many reasons include drugs, suicide, homosexuality and being antifamily.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_on_en_ot/us_challenged_books
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:17 AM
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1. Here I thought it was being challenged on the ground of being actually defined as "literature".
n.t.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:18 AM
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2. Oh, it's challenged all right. :p nt
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keroro gunsou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:12 PM
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54. hahahaha
+2
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:26 AM
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5. +1
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:02 PM
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11. Nyuck nyuck nyuck...
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:27 PM
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16. ...
:rofl:

:thumbsup:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:56 PM
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38. +1. nt
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:20 AM
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3. Funny that they don't
challenge it based on the abusive aspects, just the fact that it deals with vampires. Who cares if girls now go into abusive relationships thinking they have finally found their Edward Cullen? We just can't have them reading about vampires!
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:15 PM
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42. Yeah, never mind that part where he disables her vehicle
so she can't leave the HOUSE...what we're opposed to is overly flowery descriptions of kisses! :rofl:
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:33 PM
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46. Exactly!!
Or that part where she isn't allowed to see her friends anymore because they are "dangerous."
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:26 AM
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4. Twilight and Potter should be on the list of crappy books,
but not "controversial" books.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:29 AM
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6. They make readers out of a lot of kids
They can't be all that bad.

Fundies go nuts when ever someone writes something about fake shit like wizards and vampires.

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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:33 AM
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7. yes, but...
call me an ogre but I made my kid read Elie Wiesel "Night Trilogy", Steinbeck "GOW" and Dickens "Tale of Two Cities" in the last 6 months...

Instead of dwelling on a horny chick who wants her vampire boyfriend to "turn her" he thinks about the true poverty of the dustbowl era, social revolution and the horrors of hate.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:05 PM
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13. Perhaps your kid isn't the general rule these days.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 12:05 PM by Posteritatis
I'll take anything that gets more of them reading, if just because starting on that usually at least nudges them towards more later.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:01 PM
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39. That's pretty heavy shit for kids
Anything interspersed that won't make them want to kill themselves? Good literature can be happy, too.
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:40 PM
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33. Ironic when you think about some of the unlikely stuff in the Bible. nt
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:47 PM
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35. I don't care what schlock the kids are reading, if it inspires a love of reading
Some kids got their start reading from comic books. Some from heavier fare.

Who cares?? When my kids have to chalk up "reading points" for school, even the Sunday comics are included!

It's all reading! It's fine.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:42 AM
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8. Beg to differ on Potter. It was cleverly written at times for a Young Reader's fiction.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 11:42 AM by YOY
If you're looking for Steinbeck then read Steinbeck.

Twilight...from what little I have seen...is atrociously terrible schmaltz.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:57 AM
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9. "Twilight" is so poorly written it's laughable
I don't think the Harry Potter books stand up with real children's lit (E. Nesbit, the Narnia books) as far as writing style goes. They are, IMO, rather sloppy and unedited.

However, it's also true that a lot of kids weren't reading and these books may have started them doing so - not to mention, that series books are a good incentive for young readers - they actually look forward to reading more. And I actually heard someone recently say that the Twilight books had been a gateway series for them - started them on a reading path.

And really, are they any worse than the Sweetwater High books, or one of my personal UNfavorites, Judy Blume (which teenage problem, in lieu of developing real characters, should I tackle today?)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:03 PM
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12. Twilight made me want to throw up.
And yes, by saying that I'm admitting that I read the books. Mostly to know what it was I was making fun of.

It's basically a cloistered Mormon housewife's wet dream.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:05 PM
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14. So I either need to be rich or a monster that kills people and drinks their blood to get a GF?
:rofl:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:36 PM
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50. Don't forget the overly controlling part. Stalking, "letting" her do things, etc etc
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:15 PM
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24. Exactly
I can't stand stuff written by religious nuts. Disgusting.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:23 PM
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25. That whole series was just a massive mindfuck for me.
"It's OK that Edward watches me sleep and tells me not to talk to certain people and almost breaks every bone in my body when we have sex, he LOVES me so it's OK!"
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:49 PM
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36. Yes, those are some superior family values
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 01:49 PM by get the red out
It's a wonderful theme to sell young women in our society. So healthy! :sarcasm:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:43 PM
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17. Meh...Rowling did fine. She's no Dahl but she does create some characters
and populated the world of her creation well with them.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:45 PM
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29. The Narnia books
are VERY Tory.

At least Harry Potter has strong social justice themes.
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:29 PM
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44. The Narnia books
are very preachy. I could hardly finish the last one. I was nearly choking to death on the religious message.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:36 PM
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48. Narnia? Please.
Lewis was too busy portraying scientists as morally bankrupt, and 'dark-skinned easterners' as mindless followers of an evil god to write real children's lit. Oh, and don't forget that being a normal teenage girl can get you denied entrance to heaven...

As far as Twilight is concerned, at least Sweet Valley High never portrayed a boy sneaking into a girl's room at night to watch her sleep, and then described this as a GOOD thing that showed how much he loved her!
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:25 PM
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43. Rowling's books are a quality children's series - not fantastic literature, but solid.
Twilight is the most poorly-written drivel I have ever encountered. They are in no way equivalent where quality of narrative is concerned.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:58 AM
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10. These books are turning our children into vampires!
Wait for it...a fundy will say it.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:24 PM
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15. Disgusting misogynist garbage books
Nothing should be banned, but people who read this trash should be made fun of on a regular basis.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:13 PM
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19. Maybe I should make fun of the things you read
If you don't want to read it, then don't. It's not hurting you. It's also bringing a whole new generation of kids into the bookstores and libraries across the country.

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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:12 PM
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23. Actually I think it does hurt people
Misogyny is rough on society and I will probably fight it until they bury me. You can poke fun at anything I read if you like, I've been there before.

But like I said, nothing should be banned, I am a firm believer in that.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:09 PM
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18. The woman who wrote the "Twilight" series is a Mormon
There is NO explicit sex in the "Twilight" books. The one instance of obvious sexuality is not even described. If one actually read the book, you would also find some fairly overt references to Mormon beliefs -- no sex before marriage, for example.

I'm also wondering how many here have actually read the books. It's interesting to me that the "writing is terrible", despite the fact that Stephenie Meyer managed to tell the story sufficiently well to get picked out of a slush pile and offered a three-book, $675,000 contract before the first book even hit the stores. The books are geared to the young adult market as well; they're not meant to appeal to anyone over 21, but people are reading them anyway.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:19 PM
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20. As far as I am concerned
If you enjoy reading it and it makes you happy, then good for you.

Same with an OS - you like Linux, Solaris, Mac, Windows, etc? Fine with me.

I am re-reading the Xanth novels and The Dark is Rising series by Susan Cooper, and I am sure some see them as silly. I don't care, I like them. Same with HP Lovecraft.

If I only took the advice of others my life would be boring and nothing more than an extension of their life :)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:38 PM
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51. Piers Anthony did good at first but is a raving loony misogynist asshole
Susan Cooper's Dark is Rising is a really good series.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:35 PM
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21. I've read a couple (my book club wanted to read it)
I found that the dialogue was really some of the worst I'd ever read. And, I read a lot of YA books.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:46 PM
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22. They should be on a "really shitty" list.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:54 PM
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26. I'd love to see some of the people here come up with one chapter
Go ahead. Let's see what you've got, huh? Ten to twenty pages. You realize, of course, there's a lot happening in those ten pages. Most people in a bookstore will look at a book for less than ten seconds, so you'd better bring it within the first three sentences.

C'mon. I'll look forward to reading your work!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 07:15 PM
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27. Would you like me to PM you some of my work?
I'm a freelance writer, non-fiction but I can send you links of quite a few articles I've published. Then you send me some of your published work.

I've also read thousands of books and I'm a horror/sci-fi fanatic. I know a good vampire story when I read it. Twilight sucks. Sucks long and hard. I read about half of the first book before I decided against killing anymore of my brain cells.

I believe I have enough experience and intelligence to point out shitty work.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:35 PM
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47. No, thanks
In other words, you can't do, but you'll criticize others that do. It's unfortunate that you can't recognize Stephenie Meyers' achievement at the least; her three-book contract out of a slush pile is miraculous to anyone who works in the publishing industry.

You're the one stating that Meyers' work "kills your brain cells", it's up to you to prove yours is better, isn't it?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:51 PM
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53. Can't do?
I'm a published writer honey, I've proven myself in my arena.

Her achievement? Sorry, she got lucky, it's her editor and publisher's achievement. They saw a cheap and easy cash-cow for the tween set.

Once again, I have the experience in writing, editing and reading to know shitty work when I see it.

My question for you would be why you love bad dialogue, one-dimensional characters and shitty flow so much. Well?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:24 PM
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28. Tell me you're not defending Twilight.
Please tell me you're not doing that.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:30 PM
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45. Yes, I am
Stephenie Meyers managed to get the words on the page with enough effectiveness to be offered an unprecedented contract. Out of the slush pile. The only comparison I can think of that explains what she did is either being struck by lightning, or JK Rowlings' career.

If you think you can do better, please do so.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:42 PM
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55. I'm not qualified to direct the foreign policy of this country either.
And yet when my country got mired in two bullshit wars in the Middle East, I thought it was fucked up and I said so.

Are you now going to tell me that I should shut up unless I think I could do better with that too?

Just because I'm not a writer doesn't mean Stephenie Meyer isn't a terrible hack of a writer who basically turned her Mormon LiveJournal into a bad fiction series that romanticizes domestic abuse.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:47 PM
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30. Many of us do write.
And honestly...you don't need to write to know bad writing when you see it.

It's like saying you need to direct to know Ishtar was bad.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:24 PM
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31. One need not be a writer
to recognize shit writing. Stephanie Meyers is worse than a hack -- she's a hack with delusions of literary grandeur and a rabid following of sub-literates. She's the Second Coming of Anne Rice, with added mediocrity for maximum appeal.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:03 PM
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40. I get your point, but there is good literature and bad literature
And there is Twilight that sucks really, really, badly. I'm an English teacher. I've read a lot of stuff and am pretty well read. If reading Twilight turns your crank, great. If it gets teens to read, great. In the spectrum of literature, it still sucks, though.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:30 PM
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32. Banned for sex??? The whole series is based on how they DON'T/CAN'T have sex!!!
:rofl: :rofl:

Each KISS is accorded major drama.... A simple KISS.

Un-fucking-believable.
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:41 PM
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34. They should be happy that it promotes "abstinence only"! nt
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:36 PM
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49. That was my first reaction, too.
There isn't any sex. The last book is the only time they HAVE sex and it isn't like a romance novel where they describe it in detail. They just skip to the next scene.
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la_chupa Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:50 PM
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37. yea but I'm still not going to read it n/t
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:12 PM
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41. Liberals should avoid Meyer if they don't want to give money to the Prop-8-supporting Mormon church,
but the idea of this series being on anyone "ban" list is just stupid.

Meyer is very deliberately PG even with her "adult" book. The writing is beyond terrible, and anti-feminist, and stalkeriffic, but I can't really imagine where someone could begin to criticize it on "sexual content" grounds.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:45 PM
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52. These books get kids interested in reading
Not every piece of writing needs to be a work of art.
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