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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:14 PM
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It's like "Scanners" with multiple freeper heads goin' kablooie over "Birther Officer Court Martial"
the thread:

Army to court martial 'birther' officer
msnbc ^ | April 13, 2010 | Mark Murray

Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:39:03 PM by Berlin_Freeper

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that the U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to be "illegal."

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


the heads...

To: Berlin_Freeper

Poor guy. Won’t proof of Nobama’s birth have to be provided in order to convict LtCol Lakin?

3 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:40:50 PM by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)

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To: Berlin_Freeper

Unfortunately the Military Judicial system is far different then civilian. He will lose in a split second and no mention of Obama will be allowed.

10 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:42:37 PM by SECURE AMERICA

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To: Berlin_Freeper

This officer’s actions seem to perfectly sum up one of the Leftists favorite pet phrases: speaking truth to power.

Funny how they don’t like it when used against their own.

11 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:42:51 PM by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)

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To: Berlin_Freeper

Wouldn't a Christian simply show his bc rather than destroy a mans military career??

13 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:44:06 PM by Berlin_Freeper (Figures.)

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To: silverleaf

They will court martial him, discharge him, and remove his standing to challenge obama

Nope!

The military can NOT court martial him without the benefit of "discovery" or the ability to call any witness which can exonerate him--not that they won't try, considering that Gates is a 1st class, sycophant, Dear Leader, butt boy!!!

18 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:45:28 PM by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont Socialists and Progressives All))

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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

OK, you’re on.

I say the good LtCol is a goner for failure to follow orders of his lawful superiors. and zerO’s swearing in by the USSC made him “lawful”, thank you for nothing Chief Justice Roberts.

I believe the regime will win. If our govt, any agency of our govt, any official of our govt, wanted zerO to be exposed, it would have happened.

By now, they are all complicit in his fraud.

22 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:49:56 PM by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)

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To: Berlin_Freeper

Way to take a stand, Colonel! I am so proud of you. Patrick Henry would be extremely proud of you. Queen Esther would be extremely proud of you. Perhaps you were born into this regime for such a time as this. Blessings, sir!

27 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:57:58 PM by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)

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To: sergeantdave

Sounds like the seeds of civil war.

32 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:03:15 PM by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come. Judgment Day: Nov 2, 2010)

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To: Berlin_Freeper

Where's the rest of the military who feel the same way...whistling past the graveyard?

At least Col. Lakin is honoring the oath HE took...concerning "domestic enemies".

It will be such a shame to ruin this man's military career, only to find out later that obama has no B.C. and is tossed out as CINC.

37 posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:06:52 PM by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:19 PM
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1. I see, it's Obama's fault for 'sealing his records'.
He's responsible for ruining this man's military career. The party of personal responsibility. God, these people are stupid.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:50 AM
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17. Hawaii's passing a new law that all birth certificate seekers have to pay
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 02:52 AM by Mojeoux
from now on, for any paper work and or office time spent dealing with this racist bullshit.

And now he's a new Freeper Star!!

To get out of his scary military career is Just what the poor delusional sad jerk off wanted.

I wonder if freeper girls will star-freeper-groupie him?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:20 PM
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2. Patrick Henry and Queen Esther?
Ookay then. :crazy:
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:54 PM
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13. Queen Esther would take offense on that.
Trust me. I've read the Megillah back and forth.

Hawkeye-X
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:21 PM
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15. I had to google it. (n/t)
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:38 AM
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16. I thought she was Jewish - why do they like her? nt
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:22 PM
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3. I once saw a troll post at DU with exactly the same argument as "Conservative Vermont Vet"
"The military can NOT court martial him without the benefit of "discovery" or the ability to call any witness which can exonerate him"

Right, and if a soldier claims he can't fight because aliens from planet Zurg brainwashed him, they'll have to investigate the aliens before they can convict him. :eyes:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:31 PM
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4. Why do you Pinkos always try to de-legitimize us Zurgians?
Just because our Zurgian "long-form" birth certificates evaporated in transit through the worm hole . . .
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:38 PM
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5. To his credit there IS discovery in the
Military. It is called an Article 15, if memory serves. This is a prehearing to determine if there are grounds to a court martial. (That if memory serves is an Article 32) The Idiot does not realize that the 15 will be based on his failure to meet movement orders and have nothing to do with why he chose not to.

Did he go with his unit or not? That is the basis for the CM... and I'd say the evidence is pretty clear on that.

They are not charging him for the lunacy of being a birther, you can't cure stupid. They are charging him for his failure to follow orders.

Of course his fellow birthers cannot see the forest for the trees on this one.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:22 PM
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10. Yes, but he is asserting that his orders were not legal . . .
and that, under UCMJ, he has no duty to follow illegal orders (and that he has, in fact, an affirmative duty to disobey). Since illegality is a valid reason to disobey orders, I believe he will be given opportunity to make that assertion (as flaky as his reasoning may be).
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:32 PM
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11. I know the claim he is making
last administration there was this Lt. who refused to obey illegal orders on the legality of the war. It is no coincidence that after the military blew it, the essentially gave him his walking papers.

In this case... they will throw the book at this guy. His argument is not just flaky, but nuts. By the way, since we have had a few people check on the legality of the CINC taking power, good luck on that one boy.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:51 PM
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12. We have no disagreement there.
What is amazing is that this guy continues to cling to the straw that is his case. Taitz got thrown out as "frivolous."

Seems especially fitting that his commander is an MoH recipient . . . that's a stark contrast!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:05 PM
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14. Exacttly and my comment was directed at this idiot
not you...

:hi:

My apologies.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:46 AM
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19. Didn't at least one of those guy actually serve some prison time?
Looked it up quick before posting. Sgt Kevin Benderman was sentenced to 15 mos.

http://www.williamcassara.com/objecting-soldier.htm

As memory serves, FReeper types at that time were calling for punishment of deserters for punishment up to and including death to "traitors" who abandoned their posts.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:40 AM
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21. Yes and there is still a case involving a Navy
Petty Officer.

And you are correct, they were asking for the book. The book is something like two years... max if memory serves.

This has all to do with good order and discipline. But if they start having too much of No, SIR... that will be a problem for the pursuit of the war... See the end of the Nam war.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:29 AM
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18. I remember Article 15 to be commander's nonjudicial punishment
From what I remember of Article 15(it's been a few decades), it's almost like a plea bargain by which you can either more or less plead guilty and accept the punishment offered by the commander(which has limits), or you can refuse the Article 15 which generally results in referral for a summary court martial (roughly equivalent to a misdemeanor). Since his crime seems to be a bit more serious (insubordination, missing movement, refusing lawful orders, or something along those lines), I would suspect they wouldn't go the Article 15 route.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:21 AM
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20. You are correct, Article 15 is like a plea bargain.
If a soldier wants to contest a charge (s)he has a right to refuse the Article 15 and demand a trial by court martial.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:38 PM
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6. K&R #1 and can't believe it's ONLY 1 n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:47 PM
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7. Wow, what a bunch of loonies n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 01:16 PM
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8. ah. Ain't hope sweet?
They hope Obama goes down. That is so adorable.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 02:16 PM
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9. Wait a minute.. Regardless of the reason if you refuse
a direct order in the military aren't you subject to a court martial. So just because this guy say's he wants to challenge a president the republicans don't like he should get a pass.

What in the S.O.B. hell would have happened to a military person who refused a direct order from bush. He'd still be in Leavenworth. Probably during hard labor.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:25 PM
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22. Will he stand by his "principles" and insist on paying the Army back for his free medical education?
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 12:27 PM by Minnesota_Lib
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