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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:06 PM
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Should the CEO of Massey Energy face criminal charges
Text Ed Shultz.
Good discussion on again - Go Ed.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:09 PM
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1. Hell yes 33 counts of murder.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:11 PM
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2. SCOTUS said corporations are people --so yes absolutely.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:12 PM
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3. Great point
They may run from this one.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:38 PM
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5. wouldn't that logically suggest the opposite conclusion
if the corporation is a person for purpose of criminal liablity, shouldn't the "corporation" be put in jail, not the natural person or persons (separate from the corporate person) that runs things?

Wouldn't the case for criminal penalties on the officer/director be greater if the corporation isn't a person?

Just trying to understand the logic.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:43 PM
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8. Not really
Lock up the CEO, other executives and the Board of Directors or better yet, send them to work in the mines.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:49 PM
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10. I'm not disagreeing with punishing Massey execs
Just wondering why it would matter whether the corporation itself was a person. If the SCOTUS were to find that corporations weren't entitled to be treated as persons, would you argue that corporations could never be held criminally responsible, fined, enjoined from taking certain acts, etc?


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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:58 PM
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12. Absolutely the Board
So tired of these "decision makers" not being held accountable.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:05 PM
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15. But if the corporation is a person and the CEO makes its plans, ...
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 06:06 PM by damntexdem
then that's CONSPIRACY! Increase the penalties! I mean, the CEO is conspiring with the corporation-person.

;-)
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:22 PM
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17. A RICO charge against the Board of Directors
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:34 PM
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4. Can they prove negligent homicide against any one person?
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:46 PM
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9. The one "person" being the corporation?
It's time the matter were clarified. But I doubt this current DOJ would have the stomach for it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:52 PM
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11. huh? I don't think that there is any question that a corporation can be held criminally liable
Exxon was indicted after the Valdez incident, to name just one example.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:41 PM
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6. YES
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:41 PM
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7. Yes he should.
Reckless Endangerment.

Criminally Negligent Homicide.



He knew of hundreds of safety violations, that put his workers at risk. He let them go down into the mine without telling them of those risks.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:03 PM
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13. Yes
and could we please try him in China.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:04 PM
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14. Is the Pope Catholic?
Well, whatever one thinks of that one, Blankmanshit (sic on purpose) should definitely face criminal charges.
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Mythbuster Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:19 PM
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16. Yes... Multiple counts of criminally negligent manslaughter.
If someone dies as a result of you operating your vehicle with complete disregard for the safety of the public, you'll most likely go to prison. I feel it's no different than operating a coal mine with complete disregard for the safety of your own employees, resulting in their deaths.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:46 PM
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18. Good analogy. And he did worse than that.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 09:46 PM by sabrina 1
He mocked the safety regulations and the regulators. He called them 'as silly as Global Warming'. He is a rightwingnut, teabagger who issued orders that no time was to be spent fixing safety problems in that mine, that they were to spend all their time 'running coal'.

So it was more than disregard, it was intentional, with knowledge that there were unsafe conditions in the mine. He did what he did for money. People's lives were not even a consideration for him. He once said that we 'have to get used to living in a capitalistic society where it is the survival of the fittest'.

A driver who had been issued tickets for an unsafe car, and had just laughed at them and caused the deaths of others, would be charged with at least criminally neglegent homicide.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:47 PM
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19. In an ideal world, yes
in the real world, he owns enough people. The foremen will though... GRRRR
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