The other tragedy of the VT shootings...

The mass shooting at VT was a tragedy of many levels. The loss of life of innocents is always a human tragedy and the likely push to restrict the private ownership of firearms using this rare crime as an excuse is a politcal tragedy. But it is yet another tragedy in that it is yet more negative publicity for Gaston Glock's products.

Glock makes a fine handgun. M1911 enthusiasts like to bash them, but they are among the best made and most reliabel in the world. they are used by a number of world's militaries and they ride at the hip of about 70% of the police officers in the US. These are all positive things. However you say the name "Glock" and many (if not most) people who are not firearms enthusiasts automaticly think of these rare mass shootings and their use by "gang bangers". (the latter of which is most a media created phenomenon as in the real world criminals rarely carry large expensive service type handguns like Glocks)

The other weapon used in this horrible crime was made by Walther, yet this brand has none of Glock's stigma. My point is that this event will simply help to further tarnish Glock with an undeserved negative reputation.

A real tragedy. Almost on par with the loss of human life

Do I really need this? :sarcasm:

...of human life, did I?
That goes without saying and has been done to death.
However I feel that this tragedy will further tarnish the image of a company who's main market is the law enforcement community.

The most prolific side arm providers to the police.

170 shots in 9 minutes. A weapon with that kind of fire power -- created with the single purpose of killing large quantities of humans in a short period of time -- deserves our sympathy when it works as designed.

:cry:

I just said IT WAS CAPABLE of it. It is a WW1 era British Lee Enfield .303 rifle.

You people are arguing only for the sake of arguing. You never offer solutions, and you're always full of venom for anyone who doesn't buy into the notion that the Second Amendment guarantees everyone the right to own any weapon imaginable.

...that you won't remove the posibility of these aberations occuring by going after "scary looking" guns. Do you recall that the biggest mass murder in US history (the OKC bombing) was carried out without a firearm? How many people did Charles Whitman kill with a bolt action hunting rifle and a sawed-off shotgun?
I agree that existing gun laws need to be enforced and obeyed (like all laws), but "assault weapon/ugly/scary gun bans don't do a thing.

...did you not read my original post. The majority market of Glock is the poklice and the military. The bad image they have is based upon these rare aberations and rap lyrics rather than reality.

I have no problem with hand guns -- even really powerful ones. When you get clips with more than ten rounds, that's when a beautiful handgun turns into a killing machine. What's the point?

...between 10 rounds and 15 rounds in a magazine. (the correct term btw)

and just for the record, the Walther p22 9the other gun the shooter used) uses a ten round magazine. Oops...there goes that talking point!

Oops. There goes another talking point.

How long it takes a skilled operator to change a magazine...

Part of my training for my CCW permit, is magazine drill... I can change the magazine in my .45 in less than one second...rather easily...repeatably, all day long. It is in my "muscle memory" so I can do it as automatically as shifting the gears in my manual transmission car.

O, and BTW, the magazines for my .45 only hold 7 or 10 rnds..

Indeed.
These antis should watch the footage of the some of the top end IPSC shooters doing speed reloads. It's scary how fast those guys are.
But most antis have no real world experience with firearms and base their opinions off of what they see on TV, movies, and scare tactic reporting from the media.

The ten round limit was a pointless gesture. Do you have ny statistics that it changed a thing?
Do you REALLY think five rounds makes a difference? In this case the guy had something much better than a 15 round magazine: multible loaded magazines and a second loaded handgun at hand while he reloaded.

and only for pistols, not rifles. Didn't ban possession, transfer, or sale of ANYTHING. My wife bought a normal-capacity 15-rd Glock 19 magazine in 1997 or 1998.

13-17 rounds has been the NORMAL capacity for a full-size 9mm pistol since the 1930's, ever since the Browning was introduced.

What the Feinstein ban DID do was to increase the market for subcompact 9mm's, pistols like the Glock 26 that were downsized to fit the little 10-round magazines, which were cheaper during the ban than full-capacity mags. It also drove the market toward more powerful calibers as well (if you are limited to only 10 rounds for economy reasons, they might as well be in calibers that start with a "4" instead of a "3").

If it FAILED when a woman was defending herself and her baby from rapist in the dead of night???

Since you sad, it worked, would you be HAPPY if it failed THEN!?!?

The Glock that Cho had was able to squeeze off 170 rounds in less than 9 minutes. What are the chances that some poor woman will need to pump 170 rounds into a potential rapist -- over a nine minute interval? Or even 20 in a single minute? Don't you think that three or four or even six would be plenty of stopping power in that situation?

I'll never understand why the total gun freaks -- and I'm only referring to those who justify every God damned weapon ever sold -- create such asinine scenarios.

I love my ol' government model. I don't like Glocks, I have tried them, but I just don't like them.

I remember when Glocks where first introduced in this country, they where unfairly branded "the plastic gun, that can sneak thru airport security" even though that is crazy.

Still some in government still "screams about" plastic guns. Make me want call them up, and tell them just how much of a DUMBASS they really are.

Truth of the matter is, the Anti-2nd Amendment wackoes, will use ANY excuse, to blame ANY gun.

...at least you base your dislike of the model on personal experience rather than media hype or false information.

"There is no solution that the pro-gun lobby is willing to support. Period. We will resist any notion that any weapon or its modification should ever be illegal. We love to play with our guns, and anyone who even considers taking even one type of weapon away from us should read the Constitution."

Thanks for this great thread. It would have been much easier for you to simply reference us to any one of the thousands of thread on DU with the identical theme.

Their are over 200,000 gun laws on the books at present, the NRA supported MANY of them.

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No fair posting crap from 35 years ago. We're talking about Modern Times.

(when you get down chasing down this little task, you might tell me why you injected the NRA into the conversation. It certainly wasn't my idea...)

Sure, the P38 is a neato-looking gun and Walther makes many fine sidearms, but they'll always be the Nazi gun to me.

edit - So I'm is not spelled Some

I think of James Bond (PPK) first.

oppression of the Glock..:eyes:

A gangster (in my observation of common parlance) is a criminal who has the money to afford nice things, and one of the first things one does when they accquire such cash is to purchase a well-made, reliable weapon. IOW, they buy Glocks for the exact same reason the cops do.

I think the main reason Glocks have the reputation they do, however, is due to the ease with which the word "Glock" fits into rhyme more than anything else.

By the way, what good does it do Gaston Glock's products when someone is callous enough to fret about their reputation in the aftermath of VT? Wouldn't that reinforce the notion that they have a strong appeal to sociopaths?