I don't like how Rachel Maddow is politicizing the Oklahoma City Bombing anniversary.

She should leave that kind of shit to Glenn Beck.

to "protect" the state from the Federal government. And you don't see a connection to Timothy McVeigh, the bombing of the Federal Bldg and the Teabaggers?

Last I heard, 1 + 1 = 2

From what I have seen on her show, when she talks about the special, she will be drawing parallels to the rise in hateful and violent anti-government rhetoric in the past year. That may or may not included people who are prominent in the Tea Party movement. I have not heard her say that McVeigh was like a Tea Party member or that they are planning violence. What she is analyzing is the atmosphere of discontent that is being stoked most notably by Conservative groups and politicians directed against the government that on its face is currently controlled by Liberals and Democrats. When you hear language alluding to violence, or discussing secession, or generally anti-government, it is not coming from the Liberals or Democratic Party members. I has been coming from people affiliated with the Tea Party movements and more radical Patriot movements.

I don't see what the problem is and I certainly do not see how you could possibly compare Maddow with Beck. That comparison lost you a great deal of credibility in my opinion.

(MANY of them) between the LARGEST domestic terrorist attack on American soil and the current Tea Party movement. Not the least of these parallels is the psuedo "revolutionary" rhetoric that is (re)creating the political ATMOSPHERE surrounding the McVeigh bombing.

Such as what you saw in Oklahoma City. I visited the US recently, and listened to your right wing radio and watched some of Fox News, and it was truly horrible. It reminds me of nazi Germany. Indeed, you do need to worry about the way the crazies on those right wing stations are creating such an atmosphere that you will soon see very large terrorist attacks by crazy and deluded white right wing terrorists. I don't know if they will belong to the "Tea Party" or not, but I see link between the right wing media and personalities such as Beck and "Savage", Fox News, and the emergence of a virulent white supremacist terrorist network. You guys are in trouble.

These tools are celebrating as though it were some kind of holiday or something with their small penis -er gun rallies.

today because the parallels between the atmosphere then and now is overwhelming and impossible to miss - with the exception being that the atmosphere NOW is even more toxic and explosive - even a former Republican Representative from Oklahoma said so.

Center for American Progress Discussion on Oklahoma City Bombing (April 16, 2010)

On April 19, 1995, a bomb destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City killing more than 160 people and injuring nearly 700. The Center for American Progress held a discussion of the bombing then and what it means today. Former President Bill Clinton was the keynote speaker.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/04/16/HP/A/31892/Center+for+American+Progress+Discussion+on+Oklahoma+City+Bombing.aspx

The panel discussion follows Bill's speech.

I see that former Congressman Mickey Edwards (R) is on the panel. Mickey had to leave the house because of the franking scandal. He was one of the three original founders of The Heritage Foundation. He used to be jewish. What I am trying to say is that Mickey is one of the best at talking out of both sides of his mouth and a total snake. In front of Dems or Independents he tries to sound intelligent. In front of his own he is a total hater.

I mean, why remember and learn from anything? It's not like there's a bunch of right wing, radical, violent extremist nutjobs running around THESE days that might be capable of something like that. That shit doesn't happen anymore. We should just forget about it.

She's reminding people of the dynamics behind the bombing. These people are dangerous.

Maddow doesn't. BIG difference. And given today's climate inspired by beck, it needs to be talked about.

I usually trust Maddow to deliver exactly what we need at the moment. She doesn't disappoint me very often at all.

Rachel Maddow to air documentary comparing Timothy McVeigh to ‘anti-government extremists’

direction of anti-federal government sentiment, directly parallels what happened in the early 1990s following the election of Bill Clinton.

Why is this so hard for some to see?

And the excerpts I've heard on the ads & segments she broadcast on her show are damn chilling. I applaud her and MSNBC for doing this.

IMHO Oklahama City Bombing, the militias of the 90's, their anger over Waco have been overshadowed by 9-11.

Right now when some in this country are repeating what happened in the 90's we need this reminder.

Kudos to Rachel Maddow!

And remember viewers this is a 2 hour show if you are recording like I am.

I've been looking forward to this broadcast.

I will probably watch it. She will bring reason and thought to it and truthfully people need to be reminded where the rhetoric of the tea parties and those cheering them on leads. Besides it is past time that people get that what happened in OKC was just as bad as what happened in NYC. The numbers might of been smaller but the effect was the same. Only these people were singled out because they were civil service employees and their kids but no one handed their families millions of dollars for getting killed for it.

I still remember turning on the TV and hearing Federal building blown up but not where. Looked at it and thought it was my Mom's building. Was relieved when I got her on the phone but she lost people she knew and had worked with for years. I also remember growing up listening to the daily run down that included having to stay behind and check the woman's restroom because they had a bomb threat. That was during the late 60's early seventies and happened so often she actually talked about it in front of her elementary school aged kids. It became that "normal" of a thing.

Done by an agent of those whipping up anti-government, anti-American sentiments.

She's not politicizing a damned thing other than presenting the facts that this was a political act of terrorism and that there are groups today spouting the same shit McVeigh spouted.

There is no politicizing by Maddow. The Teabaggers and McVeigh did all of the politicizing on this one.

She is not 'politicizing' anything. She is reporting about what happened in our very recent history. Sure, she sees the current teabagger movement as possibly leading to something similar. So what? Something similar has already happened - the moron who flew his plane into the IRS building was trying to achieve the same results. It's a miracle that more people weren't killed.
Add to that, the death threats to politicians for passing HCR.

I just don't see why you have a problem with this. She is in NO WAY similar to Beck.

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Sounds too logical... hehe

Facts and real information beats ignorant uninformed statements and opinions any day

wackos actually blowing up men, women and children to make a statement about the 2nd Amendment. Right?

:sarcasm:

This pisses me right the fuck OFF. I had friends in the Murrah Building. One lived after being blown right through a fucking WALL. Barely lived. Scarred, burned, bones broken. Just because some motherfucking assholes on the loony RIGHT decided to be afraid of some goddamn nonexistent gubmint plot to take their motherfucking guns. Which they only have to begin with because they're scared of their own motherfucking shadows. Bunch of lily livered cowardly assholes.

So there.

One the one hand, I am deeply troubled about giving this terrorist any kind of platform; after all, that was what he was after. One the other hand, perhaps the timing for this piece on domestic terrorism will open some eyes. I adore Rachel and hope she can present the story with the thoughtfulness required. I won't be able to watch it, however. Still too soon for me.

We must be students of history or it will happen again. I can guarantee you that some of the anti government rhetoric that McVeigh spews in those tapes is the same thing that you are hearing from the Tea party today. Because of McVeigh you cannot drive down Pennsylvania Ave in front of the White House anymore. You can't park anywhere near a federal facility without your car being checked. Osama bin Laden didnt do that, a former American Army soldier did that. Home grown terrorism is just as bad if not worse then terrorism from abroad.

in an intelligent way.

actions of Timothy McVeigh were NOT political? You are so wrong. A thing that is, by its very nature, extremely political, cannot be politicized. Observation and presentation of fact is not political. As always, truth has a well-known liberal bias.

Although, as Steven Colbert once noted, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Rachel is a Rhodes Scholar with a PhD in political science, and although she occasionally plays cute, she has a razor sharp mind and does her research. Always.

Wash your mouth out with soap for speaking of her in the same breath as Beck.

With the retirement of Bill Moyers from PBS, who else besides Rachel will tackle the connections between the militia movements of today and those of the past? They never went away.

Hekate

Last I checked, Rachel Maddow dealt in facts. Nothing political about the truth.

Unless one believes that McVeigh was blowing up a Federal building in lieu of bowling.

who used to have to go to work every day and deal with people who held McVeigh's ideas, people who made bomb threats and who did things like leaving human feces behind out security doors to show that they could get to us whenever they wanted, and who left tear gas cannisters in the bathrooms so we had to be evacuated, I don't see it as politicization.


Someone like McVeigh could have blown up the building I was working in whenever they wanted to. This was back in the 90s. No one has ever heard him talk about what he did, and as someone who was on the job then I would like to hear it. The fact that the people today who are making the threats share the same ideology is no coincidence. They have always had that mindset. McVeigh was affiliated with the Michigan Militia, the same group that had members arrested recently and who continue to stock pile weapons and plot against the government. I think Maddow also means to commemorate the occasion for those who died by his hand, to counterpoint the remarks and actions taken to celebrate what he did by today's militias and those who share their ideas. Don't you think the people who died in Oklahoma City deserve something? They were working to serve the public. The public they were serving died too. No one then wanted to gage the potential threat they carried with them, but with everything that is happening around us, don't you think it is about time we did? If this helps, so much the better.

The parallels are apt.

I don't get the comparison. :shrug:

We all know that facts and reality have a decided liberal political bias, which is why the Republicans and their conservative supporters have to work double-hard to fashion a reality more to their liking. If you just stick to facts, it's possible that you'll be able to prove lots of things that are even remotely true, like the political nature of the Oklahoma City bombing, and it's patently unfair to tie that terrorist event to the ideological descendants of Timothy McVeigh.

See?

What are you talking about? He hated the government and attacked it knowing full well he would kill innocent people and children in the process. How more political can anyone get?

This rash of OPz pissing about politicizing
an heinous political act.

Rachelk I'm sure will give a non-orthodox perspective

who seem to all be right wing. It's a big problem and instead of doing something to counter it, the right wing cheers them on, so ya better believe it's political to begin with.

and Former President Bill Clinton. As the former President said, that while the teaparty situation is not totally comparable to what happened in Oklahoma, there is enough similarites to be reasonably concerned at this point.