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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:10 AM
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Gun Toter rally LIVE>>>link
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:15 AM
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1. What a bunch of paranoid dumbasses
Really
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:16 AM
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2. D'accord.....
Parade of Lifelong Losers
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:31 AM
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9. You sound bitter.


Would you like a parade too?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:48 AM
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17. Wow. That didn't take long.....The bat signal must be up in the air.
nt
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:51 AM
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18. You post (some derogatory flame bait) in GD and are surprised when someone responds?

:shrug:

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:52 AM
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19. Whatever dude. I really don't care that much.
nt
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:54 AM
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20. that's where you and I differ. I care about all civil rights.
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 10:06 AM by aikoaiko
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:49 AM
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42. What "civil rights" are you referring too?
What is this protest supposed to be about anyway? No one has ever hinted at taking anyone's guns away so what exactly are they protesting? And how is owning a gubn a "civil right"?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:54 AM
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43. See DC v Heller
The core holding in D.C. v. Heller is that the Second Amendment is an individual right intimately tied to the natural right of self-defense.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:05 AM
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45. I understand where you're coming from, but
i doubt you want to throw your lot in with that crowd... the subtext in the message they are trying to send has little to do with 'civil rights'
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:23 AM
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46. I know it doesn't sound that way, but ultimately it is by the way I see it.


Take this wikipedia definition (FWIW) Civil and political rights are a class of rights and freedoms that protect individuals from unwarranted action by government and private organizations and individuals and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression.

I think too many people fail to recognize the 2nd Amendment as a civil right protection.

Its true that there will be much stupidity said at this rally but in the end it is to protect a civil right, IMHO.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:30 AM
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47. Remember who you are talking about - with THESE people it is
in the end to protect their ability to bully OTHER people out of THEIR civil rights.

These authoritarian fascists do NOT give a crap about civil rights - and that is NOT the reason they carry.

Will it still be about civil rights when they start shooting up polling stations to keep people from voting for the black president?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:37 AM
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48. I think your being overly broad in your accusations.

I do think many of them see the keeping and bearing arms as a fundamental civil right.

Anyone who using a gun to bully someone or actually shoot at someone (not in self-defense) is a criminal.

And 2nd Amendment would still be about civil rights even if someone misuses or abused their rights.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:03 PM
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53. Then you are deluding yourself as to who these people are.nt
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:48 PM
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56. I'm not disputing your definition at all
I believe most of the people out there have a much different motive...
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:07 PM
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54. What say we ignore them?
I am of the mind that Rachel & Keith & Ed should pretend they don't exist. If what you focus on grows, I say we should cover everything BUT the KKKbaggers. Let them have their silly hatefests. Let them eke out their own celebrity. We don't need to feed that nasty beast by publicizing it, too.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:17 AM
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3. That idiot on the microphone keeps shouting about "God..."
not only is he a vile and abrasive man, he's got his goatee and hair fixed up so that he looks mighty like


Satan.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:17 AM
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4. I could only watch a few seconds
Raving lunatics.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:22 AM
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5. What a bunch of fucking tools...
"God gave us guns"...they are all fucking crazy...
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:44 AM
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15. Why are these gun fundies wearing red dots?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:00 AM
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maybe they are targets...
Hopefully they find an abandoned park to play in later :rofl:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:30 AM
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6. I support the 2nd Amendment as a civil right just like the other Bill of Rights.


But I'm sure someone will say stupid things at this rally.

If I didn't have to work, I'd be there.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:39 AM
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14. Is someone trying to take your guns?
:wtf: over
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:46 AM
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16. Short answer: yes.
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 09:52 AM by aikoaiko
You should see some of the extremists (edited to be more civil) who post in the Guns Forum who want to remove all guns from non-LEO, non-military hands.

Of course they have no political power, but there are those (activists and legislators) who seek to limit how civilians can keep and bear arms.

You know this. I raise you two :wtf:s
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:00 AM
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23. They are? Someone is trying to take your GUNS?
Fuck that I'm not going over there, don't need the hate in my life.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:07 AM
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26. Happy to help you out.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:11 AM
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28. I must be confused. I thought gun rights were alive and well in the US.
Otherwise, why would all those people be allowed to showw off their personal arsenals within firing distance of our nation's leaders???
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:14 AM
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32. paranoia runs deep
in some

No one is trying to take anyones guns, that matters anyway.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:20 AM
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34. Drama queens......like the Christians always crying "oppression"
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 10:29 AM by marmar
nt

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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:37 AM
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39. You are confused.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:55 AM
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21. you can have your guns all you want. no one is stopping you, or planning to.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:05 AM
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24. You are incorrent.

There are currently Federal laws which prevent me from acquiring many firearms (for example, import bans on semi-automatic rifles that would be legal to own if they were made in the USA).


There are many legislators who seek to further restrict access to fireams (Diane Feinstein (D-CA), Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), Mark Kirk (R-IL), Michael Castle (R-DE), etc),
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:10 AM
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27. So let me ask you this, where do you draw the line?
Should people be allowed to own full auto? What about RPG's? SAM's? SCUD's?

Where is your limit?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:14 AM
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31. In case you didn't know.. people can legally own full auto.
They're wickedly expensive (starting prices are $5,000) and you have to get a treasury stamp and local LEO signoff.

(There are a handful of states that prohibit full auto, but nowhere near a majority.)

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:18 AM
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33. Actually I do know that,
A guy I worked with was so happy when he got his BAR. Two weeks later, before he got a chance to fire it he had a stroke and that left his body coordination and strength so bad that he will never be able to fire it.

However my question to the poster above is where do you draw the line? If you want to jump in on that as well, be my guest.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:38 AM
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40. I like the line where it is, for the most part.
At the federal level:

I'm fine with the restrictions placed by the 1934 NFA (with one exception noted below) and the 1968 GCA.

I think the 1986 Hughes Amendment to the McClure-Volkmer Act needs to be repealed (re-opening the registry to new full autos).

Sound suppressors should be removed from the NFA (they are sold over the counter in many European countries as a safety device *see http://www.reflexsuppressors.co.uk/ *). They're not what the movies make them out to be, they're not 'silencers'.

You can own grenades and RPGs, and Sabre fighter jets with live 50 cal machineguns with a LOT of scrutiny. Works for me, there have only been three or four crimes committed with legally registered NFA items.

At the state level:

I do think state restrictions that keep otherwise law-abiding residents from defending themselves with the most effective tools possible (like the Chicago handgun ban) should be struck down. I think rigorous licensing and registration practices (like DC's byzantine process) disproportionately affect the poor and minorities who may not have the money or ability to take time off to chase down signatures / permission with multiple government officials. (*see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090103836_pf.html -- "It took $833.69, a total of 15 hours 50 minutes, four trips to the Metropolitan Police Department, two background checks, a set of fingerprints, a five-hour class and a 20-question multiple-choice exam."*)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:36 AM
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38. The short answer is that people should able to keep and bear arms that....

...a regular individual soldier or leo are allowed or expected to have -- not crew served weapons or larger. I believe the Miller v USA decision supports that.

I'm OK with NFA accountability to own those items as current law permits.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:03 AM
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44. I don't think RPGs and SAMs are classified as individual arms.
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 11:12 AM by aikoaiko

In that they are issued to the regular soldier as the M-16 or M9 is.

As I understand it, my criteria would not allow RPGs and SAMs.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:49 AM
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50. Gosh, my heart bleeds for you.
As it is, if you wanted to commit mass slaughter, you might have to reload. :cry:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:57 AM
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52. That's not what it is about.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:12 AM
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29. Oh, boo hoo. Cry me a river, you can't have every single thing in life you want.
Neither can I.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:30 AM
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36. Don't cry for me. I was just showing the person I responded to he.she was wrong.

And you're correct that no one gets every single think in life they want. That's not what this march is about.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:30 AM
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7. This is the gun free march in on the National Mall --
I want to see what is happening in Fort Hunt Park and Gravelly Point -- That's where the loons are.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:31 AM
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8. Link goes to an OKC bombing memorial event
K&U

:kick:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:32 AM
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10. You have to choose the live 2nd Amendment March link after the window opens.
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 09:33 AM by aikoaiko

2nd down on right, for me.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:36 AM
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13. Thanks.
:hi:
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:32 AM
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12. Link on the right goes to the 2nd rally. n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:32 AM
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11. Marking to watch later
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:58 AM
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22. I thought they were all saying a year ago Obama was going to
personally show up on their doorstep, personally snatch their guns, burn a bible on their lawn and convert their kids to homosexuality??

Lo and behold, all of their rights still seem to be intact...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:06 AM
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25. A Farewall to Arms
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:14 AM
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30. this is hilarious!!! the guy dressed in the wig is priceless
LOLOL
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:29 AM
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35. Asshats! This guy is going
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 10:29 AM by titoresque
on about all the crap the Bush crime family implemented and he's barking like Obama did this. Dumb asses. Where were these fuckers
for 8 years?!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:34 AM
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37. Once again I'm afraid to look, thinking I'll see some of my wacked-out family
there. Dear lord it would be embarrassing if I saw them at this rally or at a teabagger rally.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:44 AM
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49. Some redneck band singing "Let's Take Our Country Back".
oy.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:50 AM
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51. I've got no stomach for this freak show.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:12 PM
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55. It's not about firearms.
Your headline is asinine.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 01:11 PM
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57. Anybody see the cross dresser from the pink pistols?
You go girl! "Armed Gays Don't get Bashed!"
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