I doubt that too many of the Tea Baggers are overtly racist, but...

Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:01 PM
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I doubt that too many of the Tea Baggers are overtly racist, but...

Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 01:02 PM by Cant trust em

I also wouldn't be surprised if seeing a black president was the straw that broke the camel's back in pushing them into taking to the streets.

Bank bailouts, health care overhaul and a black guy as POTUS? That is just too much!

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:04 PM
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1. oh, I disagree strongly.

I think they are all overtly racist.

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The Magistrate

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:06 PM
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4. Indeed, Sir: That Strikes Me As The Case As Well

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Zoeisright

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:08 PM
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5. Absolutely they are racist.

They cannot STAND the fact that a black man is President of the United States.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:18 PM
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12. They are Racist!

They can't stand to see a black man as President. From what I have seen, they are primarily retired people, that have RV's and have the time and resources, to travel around the country,to express their dissatisfaction with Obama. They hide behind the illusion that it is because he is a socialist and not their true feelings.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:56 PM
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37. RACISM is what they are about. The rest is their cover story.

These are the same rw racists they've always been, but they needed something acceptable around which to convene. The Tea Party protests are nothing more than the KKK without all the white sheets and burning crosses.

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Mon Apr-19-10 02:43 PM
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41. Yes!

I'd guess 80% are primarily motivated by racism! :hi:

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Ysabel

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Mon Apr-19-10 03:00 PM
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44. yes they are / very much so / i agree / nt...

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:05 PM
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2. These are the people who will say "I'm not racist or anything"..and then tell a racist joke.

I guess they figure that makes them not racist. :eyes:

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Wapsie B

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:06 PM
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3. Yeah, if this were Bill in office they'd be angry too.

But the fact that Obama's black and a Democrat too is the tipping point for them. Then too if Hillary were in the White House I believe she'd be facing a similar angry mob.

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emilyg

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:21 PM
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18. I think you're right.

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Subdivisions

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:09 PM
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6. Strongly disagree. It's racism that cements them, that brings them together. n/t

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:09 PM
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7. Have any of you heard tea baggers say racist things?

As we believe they are racist, they believe we don't love America and want our troops to die.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:10 PM
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9. Yeah, but we're right, and they're wrong.

Have you ever heard them say racist things? Regularly.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:20 PM
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17. yes. nt.

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JuniperLea

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:49 PM
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31. Absolutely...

I have a handful of very overtly racist teabagger cousins from whom I hear this BS regularly... and it doesn't take much digging to find racist signs at their rallies.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:50 PM
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32. Yes.

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:09 PM
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8. What are your thoughts on the klan?

A few bad apples, but mostly decent people who are just proud of their rich heritage?

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:19 PM
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14. The Klan are people whose reason of being is to suppress people of color and promote being white

while I think that the tea baggers are likely more people who don't actively think those thoughts but somewhere deep deep down are just uncomfortable with people who aren't like them. They probably don't use the N-word, but would roll up their windows while driving through a black neighborhood.

I don't think those are the same thing.

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:22 PM
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19. Same goes for the teabaggers.

"They probably don't use the N-word, but would roll up their windows while driving through a black neighborhood.

I don't think those are the same thing."

Ah, there's your problem.

Those things are the same thing.

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:26 PM
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21. No. I still think that one is much more explicit and another is a more subliminal fear.

I think it's much different to have outward expressions of hate and inferiority than to have some base fear of things and people that are different.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:29 PM
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23. The hate comes from the same fear**nm

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:32 PM
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That's true, but I think that the varying levels of expressing that fear is the deciding factor.

How well do people push down those inner demons? Some let it take over, while others just have it seep out every now and then.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:29 PM
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24. There is nothing subliminal about it. It is all right out in the open.

Open eyes.

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:31 PM
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25. That's a motivator for some people, but I don't think it's all of them. nt

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:41 PM
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28. You've now reshaped your argument to 'they are not all overtly racist'.

Yes that is true. There exists one non-overtly racist klanbagger, for some value of 'non-overtly racist'. Ok. What is the point?

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:53 PM
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35. No. I think the intent of my OP remains the same.

I don't think that overt racism is the driving factor for most tea baggers.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 02:38 PM
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38. I really don't know what your point is.

It now seems to be 50%+1 of all klanbaggers are not "overtly racist", a term you have been asked to define here but have declined so far to bother defining.

As I pointed out, many of the signs they carry, e.g. the 'Joke Obama' sign, are frequently overtly racist. That sign in particular is iconic klanbaggery. It would be difficult to sustain an honest argument that the Joker Obama sign is a) not overtly racist and b) not found in large numbers at all klanbagger rallies.

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 02:52 PM
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42. 2 items.

1. Here is my definition of "not overtly racist". http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8176364#8176501. I came up with that definition on the fly, so it's likely not all-encompasing, but generally gets the point across.

2. While many of them carry the Joker Obama signs, many more of them carry anti-tax, anti-government, anti-deficit signs. I think that this is the primary sentiment being expressed at the teabagger rallies. While Obama being African-American might be one of the things that pushed them into the streets, I don't think that it is the driving factor for most of these people and many of them wouldn't even be able to point to that as a motivator.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 02:59 PM
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43. So they are chasing all the Joker signs out?

Seriously, your argument is massively thin. That Joker sign is iconic teabaggery and you are trying to disown it for them.

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 03:04 PM
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45. I'd say that tacit acceptance of the Joker sign is a sign of latent (non-overt) racism.

There is a difference in being a person who makes and carries the Joker sign, and the person who walks next to that person as part of their movement. If this were a criminal trial, it would be like giving out sentences of first degree murder and another guy involuntary manslaugher.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 03:07 PM
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46. an argument going from thin to nonexistent.

Rallies full of overtly racist signs that are not just 'tacitly accepted' - but admired and replicated and sold commercially for the next event - are not overtly racist.

What would the klanbaggers have to do to qualify for 'overtly racist'?

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 03:10 PM
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47. I am not denying that overt racism it's not there.

But it's not being done by most of the people there. Again, I don't think that this is the driving factor that brings most of the people out. I don't know how to make that idea more explicit for you.

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JuniperLea

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:54 PM
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36. Then they should be speaking out against their fellow teabaggers who are...

I'm not hearing anything like that anywhere. I'm only seeing racists with racist signs and slogans and hate.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:28 PM
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22. Different manifestation; same root- Fear of "The Other."**nm

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:11 PM
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10. their backs were pretty strong with all the pallets of bricks that Bush dropped on them...

and if indeed the black president is the straw

that makes them racist

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:15 PM
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11. They are quite racist

they were all quiet while G.W.Bush* lied us into war, ignored the Constitution, and tanked the economy for his rich and corporate benefactors--but Bush* was white, so that's alright.

Teaklanbaggers and other racists don't like the idea of an educated and intelligent black man as President and telling them what to do--and "those people" aren't supposed to be giving orders.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:19 PM
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13. I have no idea what you mean by 'overtly racist'

but their major malfunction is that a black american is president. When questioned on their beliefs it is apparent that their underlying motivation is racist to the core.

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:19 PM
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15. What is your definition "overtly racist"? b/t

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:19 PM
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16. Modern Day KKK...

T.E.A.B.A.G.G.E.R = Totally Enraged About Blacks And Gays Getting Equal Rights

(the above line credit goes to someone here, not me)

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tblue

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:24 PM
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20. Oooh! *SMACK* Love it! nt

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Tikki

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:32 PM
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26. Every t-bag-r I know is racist....

Having said this....I do not know every t-bag-r...

Tikki

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GreenTea

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:32 PM
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27. Yes, many of the Tea Baggers are indeed overtly racist - No question about it!

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Tailormyst

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:42 PM
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29. I think they were good at hiding it, but put like minded people together and....

and all the craziness, racism and bigotry come flowing out.

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EFerrari

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:43 PM
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30. Then who are all those people holding all those racist signs?!

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cyberswede

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:50 PM
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33. +1 right on

She seems pretty proud of this one...

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misanthrope

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Mon Apr-19-10 01:52 PM
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34. Didn't you hear? It's all infiltrators...

...They have the Website address to prove it.

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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr-19-10 02:40 PM
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39. time travelling infiltrators

we are so fucking clever it is amazing.

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spanone

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Mon Apr-19-10 02:41 PM
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40. no, i think a black president is more than enough

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DefenseLawyer

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Mon Apr-19-10 03:12 PM
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48. My father in law was a strong Democrat all his life

but also it turns out, a closet racist. He's now a tea bagger. When Bush was President just about the only thing we disagreed on strongly was immigration (looking back well, duh). I'm very far left, so that takes some doing. Now he's a tea bagger. It is absolutely 100% because the President is not white. He's totally willing to change his positions on just about everything because of it. Sad sad sad sad.

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Cant trust em

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Mon Apr-19-10 05:52 PM
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50. That's really unfortunate.

I don't know what I'd do if I ever had my father express racism.

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w8liftinglady

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Mon Apr-19-10 03:37 PM
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49. disagree-some local examples

Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 03:39 PM by w8liftinglady

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/126/ARTICLE/3751/2009-05-07.html
notice the author fails to spell barack hussein obama correctly

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/126/ARTICLE/3512/2009-04-02.html
interesting what she says about the black community

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/126/ARTICLE/2649/2008-10-16.html
this reads like a tea-partier's to-do list

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/132/ARTICLE/2647/2008-10-16.html
"-snip-With Barack Obama topping the Democratic ticket, political observers in the county predict an upset with Sargent � who, like Obama is also black � coming out on top."

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/127/ARTICLE/2557/2008-09-29.html
why Obama may/may not be the antichrist

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/126/ARTICLE/1771/2008-05-07.html
Barack Obama�s pastor: �Destroy the white enemy�

Oh,hell...a list of all the columns this weekly paper has had on Obama since 2008

http://www.elliscountypress.com/search/?q=obama&page=1

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