Palin: Founding Fathers Wouldn’t Agree With Separation Of Church And State

Is there a smilie for dumber than a box of rocks? :crazy:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/2012/sarah-palin-founding-fathers-wouldnt-agree-with-separation-of-church-and-state/


Palin: Founding Fathers Wouldn’t Agree With Separation Of Church And State


A bunch of people have already had some fun with Sarah Palin’s claim, at a religious gathering in Kentucky, that religion shouldn’t be “separated” from the state.

Word of Palin’s assertion came in an article in the Louisville Courier-Journal about an evangelical women’s conference featuring Palin. It quotes Palin as saying: “God shouldn’t be separated from the state.”

But I’ve got a full transcript of Palin’s remarks, and it’s worse than you might have thought: She cited the Founding Fathers as proof that God shouldn’t be separated from the state. Peter Smith, the Courier-Journal reporter who broke the story, sends over the full context of her remarks:



This is substandard history. In reality, the separation of church and state, thanks in part to the efforts of those very same Founding Fathers, is enshrined in the Bill of Rights:



And the phrase “separation of church and state” is generally associated with a letter written by Founding Father Thomas Jefferson in which he interpreted the above clause along those lines.

There was a time when this sort of thing would provoke widespread media mockery and perhaps even be seen as a potential disqualifier for the presidency.

Our Constitution is being ignored and destroyed because no one can even remember what it says.

in the constant dumbing down of the viewer audience.

Layering stupid upon stupid.

If it wasn't for those nincompoops she would blow away along with Rush and Glen.

definitely sneaky / manipulating / knows exactly what psychological bagger triggers to pull (though i also think someone/s is feeding her some of it if not all)...

she is raking in the big bucks while she is saying it. I wish I had thought of those tactics. I might be the one getting all the money. It seems anyone nowadays can say anything and make money. I could learn to preach in a mini-minute. And get covered 24/7 by our great media people.

The fact that we have an unusually large moron population in this country doesn't make her canny.

of this generation. (and mothers. It's a figure of speech ladies, I just went with it :hide:)

What the hell, ancestor worship? They were philosophers, essay writers, and above all, men of their time.

They also wouldn't agree with not having slaves. How does someone as brainless as Sarah Palin manage to pick and choose? Or DOES she?

:shrug:

Just sayin'.

and that it is impossible and unwise to create a wall separating church and state.

And virtually everyone knows that Thomas Jefferson wasn't a Christian.

and you'll see lots of great things.

yeah, come join the crazy :)

little debate about Thomas Jefferson and the founding fathers...or is there a super secret room that only the truly devout and/or Godless can hang out in?????

It should also be pointed out that the only requirement to be a member of this forum is to have an email address. A few random people on an open message board believing this way really has nothing to do with the ability of other members of the forum to criticize the words of a major political figure.

Welcome to DU.

Criticize away. I'm just saying people don't have to look so hard and so far if they want to make fun of the religious that wish our government was even more religious.

History be damned, they know what they know.

I mean...

It's got what plants crave!

seems like no matter what subject comes up the screech master knows all about it. Or so SHE says.

Madison for starters.

The Founders looked favorably on Religion as a way to
provide order. Assumption, if people are God-fearing
Christians, they will be good citizens. However, they
did believe and understood the Separation of Church was
imperative. They had come to this country seeking Freedom
of Religion. They had lived through the horrors of living
in countries where Separation of Church and State did not
exist.

Of course, the Pat Robertsons, Jerry Falwells(RIP) Hagees, et.al
have done a lot of Revision of History.

Facts are stubborn things.






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they then laugh it off as being part of her charm.

All my TeaBagger cousins will jump on this... they love her so...

AAAAIIIIIEIEEEEEEE!

My understanding is that the "Jefferson" Bible is really just the attributed words of Jesus in the KJ Bible... without any other Gospel, Book or Act included. Does that make it Anti?

:shrug:

:thumbsup:

She was probably told that Jefferson and Franklin were evil atheist commies, so she ran with what little brain she has and look what it got her... :rofl:

:wtf:

why should she work at collecting facts?

She needs do nothing other than screech.

The radical Right verses the apathetic moderates who will just stay home come election day.

I miss the good old days when the tea baggers were the silent majority. Back when us lib-ruls
smoked pot, and the the Republicans got along without pot, because if "ignorance is bliss", they
were silent in their own little world of ecstasy.

Let's just hope they don't put SimpleSarah back on her meds...

which became the law of the land states in Article 11:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

It was the assurances in Article 11 that were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced."

Maybe Moosezilla should put that in her pipe and smoke it.

Didn't they take Jefferson out of their history books because he did believe in separation of Church and State???

also, it's sad b/c it's true

The ink just materialized on that paper one day, without anybody writing it. Theories are about that it may have been done by Satan himself!



Does she honestly hear herself talk, or does she just talk for the hell of it?

Did it really use the word "lest"?

What a buffoon!

What the hell does that mean?

Dumb.

i can stand the collective stupid anymore...

...I am sitting hear shaking my head in disbelief...

What a stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID woman...

And no one will call them on it and their faithful unquestioning flocks will eat it up. Isn't this the big difference between us and them?

she is down right DANGEROUS.

Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.


There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.


Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than thsoe which spring from any other cause.


...the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction.


If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists....


...I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.

___________________________________________________________

Know who said those things, Winkie?

Thanks KO!

:dunce:

Oh, all of 'em.

reads 'empty'. Like always.


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You can't be serious. No one can be this deliberately stupid...

why, because they hate the "left", and what they have been brainwashed to believe the "left" is.

Dear god is she fucking stupid.

Is she saying that because some of the founders had a God based belief system, that it means they don't believe in separation of church and state? In other words, religious freedom? Does she understand what caused people to flee other parts of the world to come here, willing to even conquer and kill a native population to steal their land in order to be "free" of what kind of persecution? The "dumb" factor on this is simply staggering.

Bitch couldn't answer Katie Couric's question about what she read, because she can't read much. She certainly doesn't read either history or any of the works of the founding fathers, the constitutional papers, nada.

They also owned slaves. I suppose that means we ought to repeal the 13th Amendment now.

Jeez. She is a boat load of stupid.

The founding fathers were products of their times and couldn't imagine a society cleansed of religion. What they tried to do was keep the Federal government from imposing a single faith on the people. Radical at its time.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Jesus Christ how the fuck does this stupid, stupid, STUPID fucking bitch remember to breathe when she gets up in the morning?

How about Shroud of Turin proves the validity of Reaganomics, or the erupting volcano is a sign from God that we should all go out and buy more guns, or that the sun going down is a sign that the Federal Government has no right to tax individuals?

I mean - if your gonna make shit up, why not swing for the fences?

1797 and written by one of the Adams.

The other 'letter' referred to was the Letter that Jefferson sent to the Danbury Baptists who had been doing their usual whining and moaning.

In the colonies, religions strife against various groups was a major problem. The same sort of religious bigotry that got our Puritans kicked out of England...home of a state-religion. One notorious action heads the lists of such persecution: A Quaker Saint, Ann (something--slips my mind)was stripped and brutally whipped in each town from her town to the colony border. Catholics also suffered as did many of the other 'unusual' religions.

because if she wants biblical law she can never marry lest she be put to death:


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22&version=NIV

13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

or Leviticus, either.

can't use the stuff that might make you think........

raving about great the sandwich was. I told her I never ate shellfish because of Leviticus. She earnestly assured me that those laws don't count, to which I said but it's right next to the thing about being gay. She looked puzzled and changed the subject.

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

for bearing false witness.

And they utterly botched the wording of the Second Amendment. I'm growing tired of hearing about their "brilliance."

But OMG.

Was this woman freakin' asleep and under the desk during her U.S. History class?

Again, why do people follow this pretentious, political poseur?

Excuse me, was that statement proof of her "so-called" intellectual prowess?

If she had to repeat this so-called "historical factoid" against an opponent in a televised debate, how in the heck could a response be dignified by a blatant disregard of U.S. History?

With money said to be the root of all evil, and Beck admonishing people to shun social justice from their pews; Palin's glutinous ego driven screed for the removal of barriers between the American people and the war profiteering of false prophets is an invitation to Satan himself to come play in her kitchen instead

and it becomes 'Truth.' A bunch of willfully ignorant citizens actually already believe this. She's just reiterating it.

It's one of their constant Talking Points. The Pledge of Allegiance didn't have the word, 'God,' in it until the 1950's.

Palin isn't stupid....neither was W. They're evil manipulators of the willfully ignorant. I want a smilie for that.

She's on crack.

What she is doing will create the opposite of what she says she wants. Not good people, but those who believe the ends justifies any means; not minds and hearts honestly aware and open to the great Mystery of Truth, but frightened, truth averse souls hiding in the Dark; not genuine human contact, but contact mitigated by politically correct religious powers . . .

England and their unfair taxes. Sorry Sarah...

Honestly, even if I did believe in Jesus I'd NEVER call myself a Christian nowadays. People like her have ruined the label. I don't mind Christ, I just don't like most American RW CHristians...and I wouldn't want to be called one.

... because they believe it makes room for enforced cultural dominance for "real" Americans. Not even sure who that's supposed to be at this point -- are they?

Separation of church and state is not what the Founding Fathers intended? It's certainly what Jefferson and Madison intended, although they were just the ones actually writing, say, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (including the First Amendement).

(from Wikipedia)

Cute logical jump, ignoring what the Founding Fathers wrote, and focusing on who they were in their private lives. Conveniently, that would also suggest that America was intended to be not only a "Christian Nation," but one in which only white male landowners could vote or hold office.

Right, Sarah?

:D

:banghead:

They use it and it can work on their crazy minions because they are half bright sheep.

I can remember a time when shit like this wasn't even debated because it was a given.

Obviously she never heard of Thomas Jefferson. And if the school board of Texas gets it's way, neither will your kids.

Also, people could once look to Democrats to make the truth clear --

to deal with the issue -- set things right side up again.


Obviously, Palin is either a religious fanatic or is pretending to be one --

but there is no right to personal conscience or free thought without Separation of Church

and State --

Christianity has rarely, if ever, supported "democracy" and/or "equality for all" --

but, again, right wing propaganda does work quite well!!

I find all this talk about "what the founding fathers would have done". Uh.. excuse me, aren't they the "founding fathers"? Didn't they make the rules? Is she saying that there was some secret Socialist society that created the separation of Church and State and forced it down the "fathers" throats? God her and the media deserve each other.

Hell, the more I hear of her foolishness, the more I
think Dumbya looked relatively clever by comparison.

And that scares me just a bit. :scared: