TOYOTA IS PROMOTING HEAVY

Toyota is launching its concert series on the Today Show,coupled with some beautiful commercials on their automobile products,backed by incentives. What I wanna know is, Letting your favorite music stars croon to you and giving you money off a vehicle, Will you purchase a Toyota product?:think: :think: :think:

My current Toyota product (Scion) is only 3 years old and I would buy another Toyota if I needed a new vehicle.

If they haven't already. No one and I mean no one likes a liar except maybe a fellow liar. No one and I mean no one likes someone who won't admit mistakes unless they too don't admit mistakes.
Bye bye TOYota its been good knowing ya' but its time for you to leave now. Come back when you get your affairs in order otherwise stay gone. :-)

in two years they'll be back on the top of the heap and everyone will have forgotten this. They had an enormous cushion of brand loyalty and reputation that will ultimately carry them through, bruised but successful.

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In 35 years together Marta and I have had ONE Japanese car. No other imports or made here foreign cars. We will never buy another Nissan. Need I say more?

It was crap, crap, crap!

You will never see a Toyota in our driveway either. I have lost a few friends here for my posts about the things Toyota has done btw.

two years old. we bought it shortly before the shit hit the fan and then we were worried about things like warranty if chrysler went out of business. would i buy a toyota.... not sure right now. i think their product is generally sound, though trust is tarnished. i'd probably stick with ford or chrysler/dodge if i were to buy again.

I think they're bad cars, and to me they represent the offshoring of America. Jobs gone forever. Other countries make it difficult for us to ship our goods to them, but we're expected to welcome their crap with open arms.

Yes, I know some Toyotas are made in America. I also know the profits from the sale of those cars go to a foreign corporation.

Toyotas look like bugs, funny little angles, weird lines, strange looking. Boring.

And Walmart parking lots are full of them, and the stores are full of people shopping Americans out of jobs.

Toyota has lied about the safety of their cars, and covered up evidence that could have saved lives.

I'll pass. :puke:

you think Toyota represents the off shoring? I think the first to start the race to the bottom of the pay scale/busting unions by moving across international borders were the big 3.

The profits of any manufactured object is in the sub 5% range. I don't care where that goes. 30%+/- of the price of a manufactured object is labor expense....this is the portion we should all be worried about. The 5% 'profit' that, say, GM makes goes to the shirts at the very, very top and the share holders, not too great for the economy. As for Toyota's 5%, it is shared by many US share holders, many 401k's retirement accounts and other portfolios here in the US hold Toyota stock.

Don't really care where you spend your money, or why. I hear the 'profit going overseas' thing and every time think of the saying 'pinching pennies while throwing dollars out the window'.

Ignore the fact that Toyota hid their safety issues from everyone.

You can try to justify your support of Toyota any way you wish, but the fact is it IS a FOREIGN corporation and to suppor them is NOT in America's best interests.

You should know that during the clunker rebate period, Toyota benefited from it the most, as the top new car seller. In Japan, they considered making it easier to buy American cars when they offered a similar incentive.

When things are level, that will be another story. But they aren't. Support foreign corporations at the detriment of America and the American economy. Shop yourself and your neighbors out of a job. :eyes:

I'm not seeing the not so big 3 acting in "America's best interests", as they move their manufacturing OUT of the US. The ONLY makers I see opening new manufacturing facilities in the US are the evil foriegn corporations. Why is that?

You can be content that the white shirts in Detroit are getting the <5% profit if you like, I see the actual workers employed everywhere BUT the US.

I will be buying vehicles made in America. I will buy based on residual value and overall reliability.

^5

If someone buys a product cause they sponsor their favorite band or race car driver or garbage man...and that's the sole reason for them purchasing, they deserve to get screwed. This is especially the case of plunking down several thousand hard-earned dollars for a car.

I've always been dubious about buying products from companies that advertise or promote heavily cause I know that the customer ends up paying for it through higher prices or lower quality or both.

As the above poster says, what is Toyota supposed to do? Close shop? The company's image has been tarnished, now let's see how they make good. My son owns a Toyota Corolla and we've had good luck with the car. Would he buy another Toyota? Depends on how they deal with this current situation. The more transparency and actions to fix problems the better...but if they continue to deny or blame others for their own faults, a real good chance we'll move to another model...no matter if they sponsor my favorite guitarist or teevee show.

I have owned 4...

1979 corolla...374,000 miles,one clutch plate.

1980 Sr5 Hilux with an 20r engine...343,000 HARD Miles...Dead Tour for 9 Years.

1986 Corolla (current car) 191,000 miles...Tinny,cheap,kinda like a Sunkist Tuna Can,Realible as all get out.

1989 4Runner Sr5 22re (Efi) 484,000 miles on the engine and tranny...one set of valve seals brakes and a clutch,Dead tour veteran also.plus I got $900 more than I paid for it.(cost me $3600,got $4500.

Am I defending Toyota Management...No,they to be replaced,NOW!

am I defending the Cars that they have built over the last thirty years?

Yup.

I never realized before all of the hubbub, but I mean brand loyalty is one thing, this is fanaticism. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Everyone needs a sense of community somewhere I guess.

The biggest purchase in most people's lives is a home. The second biggest, most significant purchase is a vehicle. That gives any auto-maker a good 20-30 years to make an impression. My personal take on vehicles was shaped by what my family had bought before me. I trusted my family and bought Ford, American. Ford, however, really kind of screwed me. There was an engine recall, and I was 2,000 miles over the recall limit. I told the dealer at the time I was a life-long Ford driver and they were losing my business if they didn't help, I mean shit, this was something they had called a recall for. I was told they didn't need my business.

Ya know what? Fuck Ford. I'll buy Toyotas for me and my children, I'll buy Toyotas for my employees. Ford can choke on a sack of baby dicks. You really need to get over it, because they "didn't need my business." They didn't need it then, they're not welcome to it now.

It's quite another to go berserk which you discuss your preferences in automobiles.

You're enabling a race to the economic bottom over an engine recall, while ignoring the enormous scam that Toyota just pulled on the entire world. Pathetic, childish, and significantly less than "lefty."

We bought a new Highlander. Reason - the incentives were huge and we have a 1998 Camry. Not one problem with it in 12 years.

We got a $1000-plus discount on a full 7-year warranty that should cover any quality problems.

Toyota has royally messed up. But we believe they will clean up their act very soon. We're happy with our purchase.

replaced a isuzu diesel pickup that he sold to a man who was taking it directly to south america to resell but anyways my neighbor is going to be replacing his TOYota corolla with a ford focus hybrid just as soon as they're in the showroom. Why because he works on and does his own maintenance on his own vehicles and he was totally blown away with the quality of the build overall and the bruteness, for my lack of a better descriptive word, of the suspension on that ranger. They just made a trip to Denton Texas in the little ranger and got 31 mpg round trip. His wife is totally blown away that her husband has changed from all them years when he wouldn't even look at an american branded vehicle now he is going to be buying his second ford.

I like to think that I'm part of the reason he is changing to ford products, in fact I've been selling fords for years and never sold a car outright for any lot in my life.

Yup, Life is looking up for those of us who can see up

haven't had a problem, I bet all those others could have said the same thing....until they did!
NO THANKS...I drive a Jeep!

The same goes for Ford (Frequently Off-Road Disabled), Chevy, Volkswagon, Mazda or any other make of car or truck. Pick one and somebody hates it and wouldn't have one.

Toyota is just the whipping boy du jour when it comes to safety issues because lots of other car and truck makers have had safety issues as well over the years and were also not forthcoming about them.

How about:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed

As for Jeep, didn't it have a big rollover problem? I just wonder what the perfect vehicle may be with the perfect safety record whose manufacturer was always looking out for the welfare of its customers?

Ain't America grand!!!!!!

I owned a foreign car once and it was totaled by a freaking motorcycle, more damaged to car than the bike. You don't need to tell me twice, lesson learned.

You do know that Toyota has made millions of vehicles in the United States and that thousands of Americans are employed by Toyota? So what is foreign since so-called domestic cars such as Ford may be made in Mexico?

What you said about your foreign car experience is claimed by other people about every other make of vehicle out there based upon their experience. There is not a make of car out there that somebody does not hate and would never buy again.

benefits and wages. I will stick with one of the big 3 thank you, the question in the op was will you buy a toyota, I replied. I might also add good luck with your toy-cars and have a good day!

Every purchase of a car made in a non-UAW plant is a kick in the teeth to unionized American workers and an enormous boon to the Right. You make an enormous statement every time you open your wallet -- should that statement really be "Fuck you, UAW! I got mine!"?

Most people forget how a lot of this hot mess started with the big three.The young unless they are listening to elder family members they don't know. Written history is very vague unless you put the pieces together. We had a President ( Carter) who got us to conserve energy. He lowered the highway speed limits,had us turn down the thermostats,and started getting automobile makers to build more fuel efficient vehicles (the K car,mpg 31-37 ).Then came another President(Reagan) who believed that Government was too big.He didn't believe in unions (The firing of all air traffic controllers in the U.S. Patco). He didn't believe in the middle class hence the lines "Middle class,whats middle class? and " Death to the unions."All Republican talking points back then. Now comes the deal.America wasn't buying enough crude and its consumption had dropped because of the Carter Administration. Now big oil corps and repugs get together and say we are going to lift the standards on fuel economy and the highway speed limit and you can go back to building your big cars hell you can make them big as you want ( can you say suv,monster suv). Well the world was happy. Greed was being satisfied but the pockets wanted obesity. So you get Republicans to ban toghter in Southern states and open more of the American market share to foriegn entities. Then let them build on American soil (Didn't we have wars with Germany and Japan). Probably explains why today in 2010 We find that Senate minority Leader Mitch McConnell has taken almost one million dollars in contributions to the McConnell Foundation from the Toyota Corp..Well when American automobile makers figured out what was going on it was too late. They had to buy up foriegn auto companies American investments and merged them into their, companies got into the mortgage game,had to downsize its American workforce,outsourced American jobs to other countries for pennies on the dollar. Then came the early retirements and buyouts.Then came the cascading effect from healthcare to advertising to american purchasing power.Loss in parts and manufacturing. And the truth is this was all done out of anger.So I buy American people are worth more than politics and greed.

Has nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with loving my Prius.

We bought at Toyota Matrix for by girlfriend about three weeks ago. She loves it so far.

I tried buying American, going through five Fords (Crown Vics and Tauruses) over some 20 years before buying a Toyota Avalon. Frankly, I can't afford to pay the never ending maintenance and repair fees that come with owning a Ford and be damned if I'll ever buy another.

The insistence on buying American vehicles because it helps employ your neighbors is ludicrous. That's like insisting you hire an incompetent surgeon because his or her employees do THEIR jobs properly. You're still stuck with a crappy surgeon.

And your conscience should be damned if you buy a Toyota:
http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0007

Buy what you want?

You can find all sorts of boogety-boogety stories about every auto-maker. Until you can show me a morally pure, virginal vehicle of the finest repute and established character, with purest headlights, it seems you may be throwing stones from glass houses.

I know my car isn't associated with human trafficking or union-busting slave labour. I give a shit about stuff like that. But, then, my political convictions go beyond my screen name.

response. Cannot stomach any of it whether its foreign or domestic. And when people talk about how they love their precious Toyota's they don't seem to take into value the de-value they put on real people and real lives.Not to mention the the deaths due to these vehicles. Nothing lets you off the hook for that no matter how much you are worth. especially if a person (ordinary citizen) takes a gun and kills someone they usually get life in prison. But when an automaker makes an automobile that kills its given a fine. Ya think its the money?

The analogy I attempted to make apparently fell flat. The problems I have encountered buying American automobiles have been problems in design, problems brought about by planned obsolescence. If you give the greatest workers in the world a blueprint to build something designed to break after 3-5 years, it ought to break in that time period. If anything, that's a testament to the worker's skills and ability to produce what they've been told to produce. The problem, as I see it, is not with the UAW. The problem is with the CEOs and the uppercrust, white collar fat cats who think it's good business to design a car intended to break down within a matter of years.

GM basically forced "planned obsolescence" as a business strategy on the rest of the American automotive industry in the middle of the last century. Toyota and Honda have earned a certain degree of customer loyalty because they didn't buy into that same strategy, their products have tended to be more durable, less prone to problems. It's possible Toyota has tossed aside durability and reliability and is now buying in to the American corporate strategy. I don't think that's the case, but it may be. And, if they start producing vehicles which start to collapse after 3-5 years, they will almost certainly lose whatever customer loyalty they've gained over the last 40 or 50 years.

This economy sucks. I, and I suspect many others like me, literally can not afford to purchase a vehicle with the knowledge that it's intended to start breaking in just a few years. The money is just not there. Rather than getting pissed at me, or others like me, for having to live within a budget, why not vent your steam at the decision makers at the Big Three. Why not insist they design more durable vehicles so that the workers can build them and American's can buy American cars they're proud of, that they would buy again in a heart beat?

The American auto industry has the capacity to build longer lasting, more fuel efficient, more durable vehicles. I think the UAW would be happy building those vehicles. Until that happens, you're really blaming the wrong person when you fault the consumer for buying what's within their means.

Here's one for you. I ROUTINELY place (_______________) fill in the blank, on ignore, including those of you who disparage the UAW and the AMERICAN auto industry. Why you might ask? Because it's better than getting tombstoned for saying something that deserves to be said to you.


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An '04 with about 60K that has never needed anything but an oil change.

My previous 'yota is driven by my 30 yo son; around 250K and still running well. Oil changes, a set of brakes, replacement of belts and hoses at about 150k, a battery, and a timing chain. And tires. That's what those 250K have cost.

The '79 before that? Retired at 350k when the frame bent; that same son, then 18, ran it into a mountain. It was still running great.

Would I buy another? Not today. I can't afford to buy anything, the one I've got runs fine, and if I could, I'd buy a full-sized truck as a 2nd vehicle to haul the stuff my Tacoma won't: horses, etc.. That would not be a Toyota. I like the Chevy best, but I'd look at the Dodge for the Cummins diesel, too.

Would I buy another in the future? It depends on whether or not they continue to model themselves on American car companies, cutting corners for profits, or if they go back to producing solidly reliable vehicles. It also depends on how much of the manufacturing is done here or abroad, by both Toyota and American companies, by whether or not they unionize, and by how much their products cost.

My ex-husband was a UAW member. He worked for GM for several years, then for the aerospace industry. We always had American cars, too. They just broke down frequently, cost more to maintain, and didn't last as long. Having one toyota meant that we always had something running.

The typical American is swayed and bought by the power of the advertisement. Personally, like George Carlin, I see advertisements as nothing more than incessant lullabies.

I'm not shocked that their ad department is out in full force smearing their corporate feces on anything it will stick to.

No company is perfect, vehicle performance is probabilistic, and I look at the larger pattern of success and failure as well as specific model issues.

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