For A Taste Of What's To Come In AZ, Check Out What Is Happening With Cops In CT!

But always remember the standard enabling defense: It's not about race. It's never about race. Ever. And only white folks can be trusted on this matter.

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Everybody knows it. Many freely choose to lie about it.

I'll be curious to see what creative defenses of such things people come up with this time.

I know a few very nice, progressive people who live there but it's gotta be tough...

At least their Dem mayor was decent enough to donate a kidney to someone who needed one...

hispanic is a cultural designation, NOT a racial one

you can be black, asian, or white and be hispanic

as per doj reporting guidelines, for example, when i arrest a suspect, i record their RACE and whether they are hispanic

race gives me the following choices: Black, White, Asian, Indian

Hispanic is a seperate designator : yes/no

hispanic has (technically speaking) nothing to do with race. it has to do with coming from a spanish speaking culture.

in the US, most hispanics are white (but hardly all)

in cuba, there are a LOT of black hispanics, for instance. ditto puerto rico

a person of japanese origin (ethnically speaking) who grows up in cuba is hispanic.

that doesn't mean the CT cops didn't do wrong here, just that hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive. in most cases in the US, they are common

Why are half of the tickets going out to hispanics when they're only 6% of the population?

i am not absolving the CT cops. a likely explanation is that they are disproportionately targeting hispanics. that's certainly not a necessary conclusion, but it's certainly a likely one, based on the massive disparity.

if they discriminated, they did wrong

that's completely tangential to the issue that most hispanics in the US *are* white, and hispanic is not a racial designation

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Whatever the technical racial designation, it's about what the eye discerns as different.

Unless the police are running plates and deciding to ticket based on that determination, then how else do they manage to stop and cite such a disproportionate number of Hispanic drivers?

but that's tangential to my point

like i said, it is most likely they are discriminating due to the massive disparity

even despite the semantic red herring maze you felt the need to construct for yourself.

i merely corrected a misconception. people think hispanic and white is mutually exclusive.

it isn't

in the US (and spain for that matter) most hispanics are white

i'm certainly open to the possibility there was no discrimination by the ct cops. but it seems unlikely. so, occam's razor and all, the most LIKELY thing is that they discriminated

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But you are correct-- race, ethnicity, and whether or not one is Hispanic are three separate things, and should not be confused.

Part of the problem, besides any illegal profiling by these Connecticut cops, is that all three are self-identified. The US Census doesn't apply a race or ethnicity to a respondant, it asks the respondant what he or she identifies with. (I personally know of one Census employee who was fired for: "Are you sure? You Don't look Japanese.") And the Census bureau has far more than your four racial categories, including such as Guamian, Hawaiian, several groups from the Indian subcontinent... And it is constantly confounded by confusion among Hispanics themselves over how to answer the questions.

So, yeah, one might assume that Juan Gonzales with a heavy Spanish accent is Hispanic, but unless you ask him what he is it doesn't count. And going over the tickets looking for Spanish names is inherently flawed for the same reason, although it could show a trend to be investigated more thoroughly.

Now, this has nothing to do with whether or not the cops are deliberately pulling over darker-skinned drivers, who just happen to be largely Hispanic. And who they check off as White if there's such a place on the ticket.

Because that's actually what most Hispanics are in this country, brown. Just like most from the Middle East, but there's never a box for them either, is there?

:rofl:

it's simply a reality that hispanic is a cultural designation, not a racial one

in the US, *most* hispanics are white. some are black, and a few are asian or indian

i have to make reports consistent with DOJ guidelines on this EVERY day i work.

racial designators are seperate from hispanic designator

doesn't mean the CT cops didn't do wrong, just that this is a distinction few people understand as to hispanic

you really have to know this area to speak knowledgeably...at least read up on this before you pop off, please...

and having to write reports consistent with these federal guidelines.

if something i said you don't agree with, then point it out

which is typical of somebody caught in a falsehood or lie

if i said something incorrect, as you claim, then point it out

you haven't

have some intellectual honesty.

I will not do your homework for you, Paulsby. You must do it yourself. THAT is intellectual honesty.

"read deeper" lol

this is about in East Haven. What the Yale Law School students were looking at specifically...you may have a general knowledge from filling out your own reports but what matters in this case is what THIS PD did. I urge you to take your focus of "your" own experience and look into the facts of this case.

discriminated against immigrants to this country. They have made it quite clear that because their people immigrated from Europe, it ain't the same as immigrating from Mexico, Latin America and South America...huh?

Without Official Papers.

doncha love it...

Many crime statistics and censuses call us white.

The reality,however, is that the large majority of Hispanics in the US are of Mexican descent, who are mostly mestizo or indio (indian). Look at a pic of a crowd in East LA and then one in Barcelona, Spain and tell me that we are "white".

We are proud of our mixed heritage so please, don't try and say we're mostly "white".

.... Most Latinos don't consider themselves "white".....and neither do rogue law enforcement officials with a taste for profiling.

Change is something that some don't like in this country. What happens? They not only send out their jackbooted thugs, the Teabaggers, in a public rampage to "take their country back"; the conservatives have to make it a point to continue to revive Old Jim Crow by continuing to encroach upon the rights of people of color.

Those who "don't see this type of racism" because they are deluded with the belief that we are in a "post-racial America", are willfully ignorant and devoid of any cultural knowledge whatsoever.

Every once in a while, white America makes it a point to teach people of color why they aren't equal in this country by engaging in this type of crap and passing fascist law. And when they ignore the repercussions of what laws such as this do to the dignity and liberty of those of color, they make sure that people of color have a permanent place among second class citizenry.

After all, they have to show that Black POTUS, who's truly boss. :sarcasm:

That's why "Goddamn America" is such a powerful and telling statement about this country.

On the I-95 corridor from Florida to New Jersey, there had been a LONG history of DWB racial profiling by state troopers...The state of Maryland had to pay out a class action lawsuit, iirc