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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:35 PM
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This oil spilling into the Gulf of Mexico will mark an epic moment in human history.
Edited on Sat May-01-10 03:19 PM by Subdivisions
If that hole is not sealed soon or if what's left of the well-head goes, this event could destroy vast expanses of ocean and will change the direction of the human race. If this is not checked, we could be looking at the greatest man-made disaster of all time.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:37 PM
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1. Well many of us described Bushco as the
ultimate clusterfuck so this should come as no surprise. They allowed BP to get away with this crap.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:44 PM
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2. K&R, That about sums it up. n/t
:kick: & R


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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:46 PM
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3. This oil spill will make all the hurricanes that have hit the gulf coast look like nothing.
I live in Houston and go the Galveston, we are spared for now.

I am going to take the next week off and travel along the gulf coast in Texas and take pictures and videos.

That may be the only chance I have to do this now.

I am beyound sad, very angry.

Maybe it took this happening to wake up a lot of people to the real price of oil.

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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:55 PM
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10. What's really scary when you think about it is the pressure in that
hole that could blow all the way up that pipe to the platform, causing the explosion that killed 11 people and sank the rig. How on earth are they going to plug a muddy hole 5000 feet under water that is under pressure that detroyed the whole complex? I read somewhere that if what's left of the well head and rising piping erode from sand being blown out with the oil, the quantity of oil could increase to 2 million gallons per day. The damage will be astounding.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:02 PM
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18. I have been thinking about that, that is why I am going on my trip.
I have two weeks of vacation coming, now seems a good time to use it.

Mother Earth took a big hit on this one.

Things are never going to be the same again.

I am hoping other countries are coming to our aid, this is beyound what the USA can handle alone.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:53 PM
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34. I read they are bringing in another platform to slant drill into the well.
They hope to divert the flow so they can seal off the old well.

Estimated time is 2-3 MONTHS.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:54 PM
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45. The Gulf will be dead in that time.
Just think of the amount of oil that will be in the water and land at that time.

The greed that caused this is hard for me to understand.

How much money is enough.

Money can't put back what the oil will kill.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:00 PM
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16. And how are you going to travel the Gulf Coast? Horse and buggy?
Save the gas and stay home.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:05 PM
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20. I knew someone woud say this.
Edited on Sat May-01-10 03:06 PM by texanwitch
It is now or never time.

We need pictures of what was for the future.

I have pictures of pre Hurricane Ike , they are priceless.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:57 PM
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36. Yes, and hurricane season starts in 1 month.
This could get real ugly.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:47 PM
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4. I've been pummelled by so many man-made disasters
in my brief life that I'm not sure I even know how to wipe my ass right anymore.

I'm going to trot off a few:

Chernobyl
Disappearance of Amazon Rainforest
Melting of Polar Ice Caps
Love Canal
Overfishing
Exxon Valdez
Persian Gulf Oil Spill during 1991 Gulf War
Bhopal
Disappearance of the Aral Sea
North Pacific Trash Pile (now roughly the size of Texas)
Riverine Fishkills (my most local one occurred in White River in Indiana just a few years ago)
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:49 PM
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6. they all marked epic moments in history, after which people continued doing exactly what they had
before the epic moment.

that's capitalism, baby.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:50 PM
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7. Yeah...but remember "Socialism" is bad!
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:59 PM
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15. Yep, We have to keep the gubmint out of our corporations.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:57 PM
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12. Yes, but this may be altogether different. I just read somewhere this morning that
the oil is leaking right now at a rate equal to one Exxon Valdez every 10 days. It could take months to plug this hole and they may be circumstances that lead to an even higher rate of flow in the coming days and weeks.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:58 PM
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27. Current estimates are 200,000 gallons a day
The Exxon Valdez spill was 11 million gallons.

You can do the math.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:03 PM
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28. Yea, I didn't check the math on that. But a single gallon, in my view, is too much. n/t
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:10 PM
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30. I'm not disagreeing with that at all n/t
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:47 PM
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32. You can't keep doing exactly what you were doing,
if your means for doing so are destroyed.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:56 PM
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35. Kuwait oil fields on fire n/t
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:47 PM
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5. Dupe (Why Duplicate this?) n/t
Edited on Sat May-01-10 02:48 PM by IndianaJoe
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:50 PM
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8. Um, what? n/t
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:57 PM
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11. I duped my own message in the wrong thread.
My litany of man-made disasters. Repeating it was depressing.

No offense or confusion intended.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:01 PM
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17. Lol, I was like, what does that mean? ... Yes, this is depressing. I think I might have
to go down there to assist in the clean-up if this thing comes ashore. I was down in Gulfport just after Katrina and Lake Charles after Rita. The last thing that area needs is another disaster. But, alas, it looks like they're going to get it.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:05 PM
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19. Good for you! I think there'll be plenty to do -- for years.
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:51 PM
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9. three mile island
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:57 PM
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13. what I've read today scares the crap out of me
if it breaks apart completely and flows completely uncontrolled...nobody really knows how much oil it could continue pouring into the gulf. Enough to flow around Florida and up the Atlantic coast is a distinct possibility.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:58 PM
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14. No it won't. We have trash islands floating around and no one cares
or makes a big fuss.
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:10 PM
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21. it is like a bunch of teenagers are trashing the house n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:52 PM
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26. I believe
that Mother Nature has just had it with man-made abuse.

The Native Americans have such great respect for Mother Nature. I grew up during the time of LBJ's 'Great Society.' Lady Bird had a big beautification program....NO LITTERING. Highways were planted with perennials. Mother Nature was admired and cared for.

Today, I get so damn angry....there's gum everywhere on the ground. I constantly see people throwing cigarettes and trash out of their car windows. Landscapers (who I don't believe now a damn thing about horticulture) keep adding mulch around trees until it's 3 feet high. Dead branches just hang there until the whole tree is dead and then someone cuts it down.

:wtf: is wrong with people today? Too busy playing video games or watching pron? Just ignorant fucking people everywhere. And NO ONE CARES! I mentioned to my apartment manager that so much shrubbery was dead and I was told to do it myself. So I did! Then when they saw me up on a 2-step ladder reaching for dead tree limbs, I guess I shamed the young dude into doing something. Actually they thought I would fall and sue.

Now, I'm 'a trouble-maker!!!!' All because I wanted to save their damn trees and shrubs. I can't stand looking at dying plants.

The next day someone had placed a dead bird at my front window.....! I just want to be a hermit....and live with animals. People suck! :rant: is over....for now.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:09 PM
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29. I understand your righteous rant
but the bird might have hit the window and died on its own.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 10:46 PM
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46. I put bird seed out for the
birds everyday....and I've had birds slam into the building and either break their neck or get stunned and later revive....but NO...this bird was not of this area. It had a longish orange bill and brown feathers on top and whitish on the bottom....nothing I have EVER seen in my four years of feeding.

I have never seen this species before in my area. That is what bothered me so.

And the neck was NOT broken...usually the result of hitting a window.

Goddess, the evil in this world is beyond most comprehension....but I know it when I see it.

This maintenance dude is trouble...not me.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:03 AM
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50. You most likely correct - you best know the locality and the inhabitants.
Take care. :hug:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:49 PM
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51. Thanks
...I'll just keep a low profile.:hide:

And in the meantime try to get it together to buy a little land in the country and build my hermit house!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:11 PM
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22. That is my fear with this too. The planet is already at the brink and now this.
Edited on Sat May-01-10 03:11 PM by earth mom
I am so upset I can barely read any more threads about the spill. :cry:
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:42 PM
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23. Nah -- it's been done before, farther south in the Gulf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I

Ixtoc I was an exploratory oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, about 600 miles (970 km) south of the U.S. state of Texas. On June 3, 1979, the well suffered a blowout and is recognized as the second largest oil spill in history.



The Exxon Valdez was very small by comparison. Ixtoc I is second only to the Pesian Gulf oil spill during the war. And, of course, you know who was responsible for that.


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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:48 PM
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25. I hope you're right and this one doesn't make Ixtoc look like Ixtoc made Exxon Valdez look. n/t
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:13 PM
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37. The Ixtoc was only 50M deep, allowing divers to work on the leak. nt
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:44 PM
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24. We are a vampire sucking the Earth dry
Humans are parasites on Mother Nature. Nature creates very little waste. That's ALL we create.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:49 PM
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33. Exactly.
We seem to want to destroy and kill every living thing we encounter. Human beings are an abomination.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:26 PM
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31. It's mile down, and how long does it take to build a dome?
I'm horrified.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:29 PM
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39. who knows?
it's never been done before, for this kind of circumstance. Everything is trial and error at this point. There were no contingency plans because in their supreme greed-fed arrogance they chose to believe their own marketing bs...that it wouldn't/couldn't happen. And that if it did, it would contain itself and clean itself up.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:24 PM
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38. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl, plus all atmospheric testing. n/t
n/t
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:35 PM
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40. No, it won't...
Ixtoc 1 leaked for 9 months, spilling between 100 million and 140 million gallons into the Gulf, between June 1979 and March 1980, and hardly anyone is aware of it.

In 10 years, it will be business as usual, much to our detriment.

Sid
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:36 PM
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41. Eh. We would've used the oil anyway
Once the oil gets out of the ground, it really doesn't matter. Pouring out of a broken pipe, being used to sustain civilization, there isn't much difference.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:37 PM
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42. the dead gulf
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:39 PM
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43. (facepalm)
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:41 PM
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44. It's bad, but it won't change anything.
There have been worse spills, not to mention other ecological disasters.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:03 PM
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47. Which ones have been worse. This one just started
the end is no where in sight.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:02 AM
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48. There have been worse.
Not saying that this one won't get there, but here are the 10 worst oil spills in history. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36852827/ns/us_news-environment/?GT1=43001 EXXON VALDEZ doesn't even rank.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:32 PM
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49. Unfortunately the hyperbole surrounding your post is factual, and if anything

understated!

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